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Where have all the vintage speedmasters gone?
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eugeneandresson
路Muah ha ha ha haaaaaa! 馃榿
I've been buying them all as soon as they pop up. I'm also kidnapping Speedmaster FanBoys, and torturing them by smashing Ed Whites and 2998s right in front of them with a sledge hammer. They can't even shut their eyes because I use the same device as employed in A Clockwork Orange on Alex during his re-education.
@OmegaRolex is next. 馃槻 Yeah, you heard me you Speedmasterbater! I saw that thread this morning before it was deleted! 馃う
Spoken like a true back-side-Connie-linguist ... 馃榿 ...
Edit : you can't be so harsh on OmegaRolex, he doesn't even posess a real Speedmaster ferkryssakes...
Edit Edit : scratch that...you can...
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omegaswisst
路Apparently we're in for complete drought in 2019!!! Not a single unit listed.... 馃槑
If only I could predict the future. Let me peer into my hesalite ball 馃槈
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nonuffinkbloke
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From 1957 , we have 7 references (plus the gold Limited addition model in 1969) up to 1971. All very lovely, sought after, watches with a wide spectrum of value, but (According to Speedmaster101) the 105.012 "is the only confirmed reference to land on the moon".
That being the case: Isn't 2019 going to be more about the real "Moon Watch"? ... The 105.012?馃槙
There are plenty of them knocking about on Chrono24. I know the prices are bit top heavy, but they aint exactly flying of the shelf???
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omegaswisst
路From 1957 , we have 7 references (plus the gold Limited addition model in 1969) up to 1971. All very lovely, sought after, watches with a wide spectrum of value, but (According to Speedmaster101) the 105.012 "is the only confirmed reference to land on the moon".
That being the case: Isn't 2019 going to be more about the real "Moon Watch"? ... The 105.012?馃槙
There are plenty of them knocking about on Chrono24. I know the prices are bit top heavy, but they aint exactly flying of the shelf???
Hi @nonuffinkbloke
You are spot on! I suppose with all the hype other references may also be in demand depending on the budget of the purchaser. But as you mentioned one would expect a higher level on interest in the 105.012s. Whether the supply dries up, as people hang onto them, or whether more come onto the market, as people cash in on higher prices, will be interesting to see.
As a newcomer to vintage watches I have a very limited insight to the market and would love to hear what others think may happen.
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Magic_Omega
路The number is limited and the demand is increasing. In my opinion, the caliber 321 is undervalued, and the price has only one direction. The traded quantity and quality will not be better in the future!
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105012
路From 1957 , we have 7 references (plus the gold Limited addition model in 1969) up to 1971. All very lovely, sought after, watches with a wide spectrum of value, but (According to Speedmaster101) the 105.012 "is the only confirmed reference to land on the moon".
That being the case: Isn't 2019 going to be more about the real "Moon Watch"? ... The 105.012?馃槙
There are plenty of them knocking about on Chrono24. I know the prices are bit top heavy, but they aint exactly flying of the shelf???
Yes sir! 105.012 all the way 馃榾
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mr_yossarian
路There are plenty of them knocking about on Chrono24. I know the prices are bit top heavy, but they aint exactly flying of the shelf
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nonuffinkbloke
路The good ones sell quite quick for good prices ( not always exactly the asking price I assume, but on offers) , those you see..well most have issues, are doubtful - or at least not correctly disclosed - or in a condition that has no relation to the asking price.
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nonuffinkbloke
路The number is limited and the demand is increasing. In my opinion, the caliber 321 is undervalued, and the price has only one direction. The traded quantity and quality will not be better in the future!
But that may depend on the intention of those who are holding on to the 'good ones' at the moment, and providing the subject material for this thead. 馃槙
GOOD SCENARIO: If the motive is to get them all out next year... for a big 2019 "you show me your 105.012 and I'll show you mine" celebration, that will be lovely.
BUT!
BAD SCENARIO: What if a number of owners have the same idea??? 馃槙 "I'll hang onto it until next year and then offer it for sale in 2019"! Flooding the market with vintage Speedmaster.
I suppose how 'that scenario' would effect prices, would depend on the quality of those examples coming out of the cupboards.
It appears that there always ought to be a market for good quality, Vintage, Omega Speedmasters. Even when you take into consideration the 'hiked' prices on Chrono24, the price range for a 105.012, on that particular market place, is massive. 24 watches between $10k and $21k. More than double! Well in excess of the Speedmaster101 margin between good and collector which is, currently, $9200 to $16000
Whatever happens, I'm pretty sure that, in the next 12 months, exclusively on this forum, 'the odd', correct, vintage, family owned, expertly , sympathetically, serviced, unpolished, 321, pre-moon, Omega Speedmaster will be offered to you lovely chaps at some point!馃槈
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MaiLollo
路Depending on the intention of those who are holding on to the 'good ones' now.馃槙
If the motive is to get them all out for a big "you show me your 105.012 and I'll show you mine" celebration, that will be lovely.
BUT!
What if a number of owners have the same idea??? 馃槙 "I'll hang onto it until next year and offer it for sale in 2019"!
I suppose how that scenario would effect prices, would depend on the quality of those coming out of the cupboards.
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nonuffinkbloke
路If the people holding them are willing or waiting to make a profit, it's possible. I'm under the impression that, more often than not, the nice ones are sold because a collector wants to upgrade or needs the funds for another purchase. So snagging nice Premoons is getting harder and harder, because a lot of people buy to hold...
It will be a very good scenario for current owners if you are correct @MaiLollo.
As I suggested in my earlier post, The quality, correctness and desirability of individual watches will become more important than just being able to say "I own a pre-moon 321 Speedmaster". 馃榾
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maxbelg
路.............All very lovely, sought after, watches with a wide spectrum of value, but (According to Speedmaster101) the 105.012 "is the only confirmed reference to land on the moon".................
I don't believe this. There are numerous sources confirming that the 145.012 also made it to the moon, eg Alan Shepard in 1971 (my birth year)!
Furthermore the 145.012 was an improvement with screw-in pushers and better water resistance, at least the SP models. So go ahead and overrate the 105.012 and I hope the 145.012 remains reasonably priced. 馃槈
However it's almost more difficult getting a nice 145.012 these days as they all have to be donors for the older and more valuable references. The sum of the parts ends up being worth more than a complete watch?! I personally can't understand the slight price difference between the '68 861 Speedy's vs the 321 Speedy's on the speedmaster101 website. After all that's when they started ticking with the wrong beat rate for the dial! 馃槤
EDIT: And poor Collins had a 145.012 to keep him company while his buddys were playing on the moon.
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Maitreyoda007
路IMHO, the 145,012 is the rising value for the coming months. As said, it's very difficult to find one in good shape. The prices asked on Chrono24 by example are quite strange... To be continued...
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MaiLollo
路145.012 prices will always capped by the prices of 105.012s.
Having said that, I paid more for my 145.012-68 than my 105.012-66, but that's mainly down to a condition difference (v. good versus collector)
Having said that, I paid more for my 145.012-68 than my 105.012-66, but that's mainly down to a condition difference (v. good versus collector)
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nonuffinkbloke
路I don't believe this. There are numerous sources confirming that the 145.012 also made it to the moon, eg Alan Shepard in 1971 (my birth year)!
Furthermore the 145.012 was an improvement with screw-in pushers and better water resistance, at least the SP models. So go ahead and overrate the 105.012 and I hope the 145.012 remains reasonably priced. 馃槈
However it's almost more difficult getting a nice 145.012 these days as they all have to be donors for the older and more valuable references. The sum of the parts ends up being worth more than a complete watch?! I personally can't understand the slight price difference between the '68 861 Speedy's vs the 321 Speedy's on the speedmaster101 website. After all that's when they started ticking with the wrong beat rate for the dial! 馃槤
EDIT: And poor Collins had a 145.012 to keep him company while his buddys were playing on the moon.
As my name suggests, I know 'fakk all' about watches. However I do have an openly declared interest in 105.012's being highly rated and desirable amongst the Horological community.馃槦 I own a nice, family owned example of this reference and would like it to be worth bundles of dosh! There! Full disclosure!馃榾
With regard to the watches on the moon thing: You are better off complaining to the author of Speedmaster101 about this travesty of justice that you so sorely feel.馃檨 He will be far better placed to point you in the right direction. You won't be suprised to learn that his opinion is valued above mine on the subject of vintage Omega Speedmasters!馃榿
You are also aware, of course, that in this place, Speedmaster101 is viewed as a sacred writing and the author has got 'The Moses Thing' going on??? Your basically about 1 post away from Horological blasphemy mate!馃榿 ...... Repent in sack cloth and ashes!!!
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ulackfocus
路Just wait until NASA finally admits the US never went to the moon! You'll be able to get Omega Fibmasters cheap after that. 馃榿 馃お
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nonuffinkbloke
路Just wait until NASA finally admits the US never went to the moon! You'll be able to get Omega Fibmasters cheap after that. 馃榿 馃お
Maybe I will jump ship??? .... I've got my eye on this now.
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mr_yossarian
路Just wait until NASA finally admits the US never went to the moon!
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