When is patina "too much"?

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Oh, you're new. Thread-jacking is customary and traditional around here.

Good thread topic before we messed it up, though. Anyone who wants to return to the original topic, please feel free.
 
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Nowadays... I have quit the skull collecting lately.

Good to hear. In my experience, that is often the first step on the road to recovery.
 
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Oh, you're new. Thread-jacking is customary and traditional around here

I kinda had it figured out it was a local custom, especially for noobs' threads, especially when the topic is beating yet another dead horse - I only realized once it had been discussed for a page or so that this was "one of these topics", a la "how much is my watch worth" 😉

Not a problem, part of some kind of passing ritual 😉
 
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Patina Figlioli , former member here. She was quite a card, could never get too much of Patina. 😀

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Patina Figlioli , former member here. She was quite a card, could never get to much of Patina. 😀

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She's the one that sold me that watch I posted here!
 
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IMO
patina is too much when the dial doesn't look right-looks burned
the dial is everything when it comes to valuing a watch and it should
look like it's supposed to when it was produced
I certainly would not pay a premium for a dial with heavy "patina"
 
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She's the one that sold me that watch I posted here!
Yeah a lot of people bought Patina watches, Dennis even got one of her old quartz models (sadly just before she passed)

A lot of Patina went into that watch 👍
 
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I kinda had it figured out it was a local custom, especially for noobs' threads, especially when the topic is beating yet another dead horse - I only realized once it had been discussed for a page or so that this was "one of these topics", a la "how much is my watch worth" 😉

Not a problem, part of some kind of passing ritual 😉

You seen pretty well-adjusted. Are you sure you are in the right place?
 
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Patina...

For me, the less the better.

Unless it is attractive to me.

Then some (or even more) is OK.
 
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Really depends who you ask. I would suspect 90% of even vintage collectors would toss this one in the ocean.
But, I kinda like it! Patina has been discussed in numerous posts in the past and ultimately it is an aesthetic decision. I think yours looks just fine as is.

I guess I'm in the 10% on this one. I like it.
 
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Patina = Dirty and Too much sun shine on the dial plus radium damage.
 
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You seen pretty well-adjusted. Are you sure you are in the right place?

I think so. Folks here behave just about the same as on any "specialized" internet forum, with just a tiny bit less typos and grammatical atrocities 😉
 
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So let's take this to a "real" example. Again, think Speed MkII, racing dial. So, all in all, a vintage watch, but not "too" vintage either. But still, a lot of them with faded dials, markers, and so on. It's especially obvious on the orange markers and hands which fade to a yellow-ish hue. But a lot of them have received service dials too, TSwissMadeT in a lot of cases, with colors that "pop", just like if it still were the 70's ::rimshot::

On a black/blue dial with white markers. the right patine looks good. On these colored timepieces, I think the service ones look better. But then again, they cannot be considered "original" anymore...

In this case, Patina, vs. Cosmetic Surgery 😉

What do you guys think?
 
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So let's take this to a "real" example. Again, think Speed MkII, racing dial. So, all in all, a vintage watch, but not "too" vintage either. But still, a lot of them with faded dials, markers, and so on. It's especially obvious on the orange markers and hands which fade to a yellow-ish hue. But a lot of them have received service dials too, TSwissMadeT in a lot of cases, with colors that "pop", just like if it still were the 70's ::rimshot::

On a black/blue dial with white markers. the right patine looks good. On these colored timepieces, I think the service ones look better. But then again, they cannot be considered "original" anymore...

In this case, Patina, vs. Cosmetic Surgery 😉

What do you guys think?

Not sure of all your understandings. TSwissMadeT or Swiss Made T, is not indicative of a service dial, merely dials that were produced during a period of the early sixties through early nineties, without all dials being marked such. So it is more or less a case by case of what it indicates.
One has to be careful with dials that are pristine, there are safe queens with new looking dials that are quite legitimate. Old black dials often had gold script and markings, so white maybe bad. You have to take a holistic, type by type and mode by model approach, which means you have to take the time to learn many models of different ages and types. One can never get too arrogant, mistakes will be made and there is always something new to learn.
 
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Thanks for trying to help.

The challenge with the racing dial is the orange color. It turns to a yellow-ish hue with time all the way to really pale, which is not to my liking really...

From the Speed MkII I've seen, I think the dials can be clustered in three categories.
1- those that show their age in a not-so elegant fashion for my taste (too much patina, damaged markers , pale yellow hands too,... )
2- those that show their age, but are still "ok" - no damage, pale orange, trit has turned to a nice pale beige or so. the pale orange is "ok".
3- those that look pristine.

The third category's have either
3.a- spent their life in a safe without UV (I think these don't go to ebay/chrono24!) but this seems unrealistic to me as we are talking premium but not ultra-premium items back then... correct me if I'm wrong.
3.b- been fitted a "new" (service or NOS) dial (and sometimes more) in the past couple of decades or so. Some of them Tritium, some of them not. I've seen both TSwiss and Swiss.
3.c- been gently touched up (lume, paint, ...).

I am tryjng to understand what is the forum member's position about 3b's and 3c's... My current feeling is that I don't mind 3b's at all, I do mind 3c's but still tend to like both these more than 1 and 2...

Just asking for opinions. You can all be sarcastic at me if you want to. Just learning 😀

Thanks,
Paul
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There is no absolutely correct answer as the appreciation of "patina" is subjective. However, there is a certain rule in some collecting circles (I'd mention some Rolex collectors) that "patina" = premium. If you are ever in the company of such a collector never, ever allude to The Emperor's New Clothes 😎

However, I suppose to some extent it depends on what you value. If you buy an old watch and it has a patinated dial and other signs of age, will you wear it and be happy to have it on your wrist. If so, then enjoy it. If not, you are perfectly at liberty to have it refurbished to a state that satisfies your aesthetics. There is no secret watch police that will drag you out of bed in the wee small hours to stand trial for crimes against horology 🙄

If however, you are buying with one eye on selling, then listen to the collectors and what they look for. The watch may sit in a case or safe, and you will probably not use it as much as one that appeals more, but you may get your money back if or when you sell (or even make a few bucks).

The choices are yours - and they may change over time.