What's the consensus. 145.012 short index service dial vs. Original

Faz · Nov 24, 2016

Hello all

I was offered a 145.012 with a short index service dial. If a 145.012 is worth 1 dollar, how much is the one with short indexes worth? 95%, 85%, 75%... etc?

Thanks in advance

Faz

EDIT: Refer to Speedmaster101 -service dial section

watchknut · Nov 24, 2016

Is it an applied logo or painted logo dial? Step dial? tritium or lumi?

Faz · Nov 24, 2016

Should have mentioned.
Applied logo in tritium

watchknut · Nov 24, 2016

Interesting...looks pretty slick. Not sure on this one.

Foo2rama · Nov 24, 2016

watchknut
Interesting...looks pretty slick. Not sure on this one.

Agree not sure how to price this one. The lume is good on the hands, but the paint... Bezel is amazing but also not sure on the deduction on the dial. On one hand it is correct to 99.9% of people.

Faz · Nov 25, 2016

That's what worries me...the desirability of this dial configuration regardless if it's correct or not. Do collectors actually hunt these? It's a cool dial but it's kind of the ugly cousin of the standard long index version dials..

Vintagewtchzilla · Nov 25, 2016

Hmm not very attractive for me, but bezel is nice and depending on bracelet and endlinks it could be a good source for parts.

Foo2rama · Nov 25, 2016

Faz
That's what worries me...the desirability of this dial configuration regardless if it's correct or not. Do collectors actually hunt these? It's a cool dial but it's kind of the ugly cousin of the standard long index version dials..

There is the interesting argument that they are actually more rare. The lume on the dial is inline with age and is attractive on this watch. Let's be honest here how many of us would see this in eBay and spot the service dial? Lume passes a visual check sure it's a tad green but has some patina, stepped, applied logo... the bezel on this passes all checks in flying colors... case is good...

Davidt · Nov 25, 2016

Personally I think it reduces value by pretty much the cost of a correct dial.

It's collectors who pay the big bucks and they will know it's not original or correct. It has some value itself but I don't think anyone is seeking out these dials, regardless of the rarity. I would say they're only slightly better than a painted logo dial, as a stop gap until you find a correct one.

oddboy · Nov 25, 2016

Agree with David. And the long indices are so nice!

On the good news front, Pro dials still do come up fairly frequently on ebay for not insane amounts.

watchknut · Nov 25, 2016

In the end, all depends on price.

Faz · Nov 25, 2016

Thanks all for your opinions and comments... asking price in the 8k range..in the range of an above average and correct "normal" 145.012....

Cheers

watchknut · Nov 25, 2016

In that case, hell no.

Spacefruit · Nov 25, 2016

321 Service dials are in my opinion, are interesting and collectable. So far, they remain without value.

The heart of the value is the dial. It must be original, and then it must be attractive. If it is a service dial, and attractive, it might add a couple of hundred dollars to the base, (without dial) value. An attractive 145.012 dial might command 1500 - 3000 on its own. Could be more if it is perfect and exceptionally attractive.

As the heart of the value in these watches is in the appearance of the dial, then really the remaining parts of the watch are easier to value as the sum of the parts.

Service dials, like all dials, can be attractive or ugly. For me if a service dial is aged nicely, it is as attractive as an original, perhaps more attractive than many - however it will never command the dollar$ of a collector who seeks original.

Ironically I think service dials are rarer than Original.

Some calibre 321 Service Dials. The one on the far right is exceptionally nice. Still almost valueless! :

Spacefruit · Nov 25, 2016

To answer the OP question, if an original is worth $1, the service dial watch is worth about $0.35 - 0.45.

The watch the OP is considering is not one that would have me interested at all. The dial is unattractive, the bezel is battered, and the movement needs a service.

At $8000 asking it will take about $5000+ to make it into a $8000 watch.

robocaspar · Nov 25, 2016

The lume on the dial seems a little green. Not very attractive aging at all.

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What's the consensus. 145.012 short index service dial vs. Original

Faz

watchknut

Faz

watchknut

Foo2rama

Faz

Vintagewtchzilla

Foo2rama

Davidt

oddboy

watchknut

Faz

watchknut

Spacefruit

Spacefruit

robocaspar

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