What’s happening on March 26th then?

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Looking forward to seeing one if the flesh and talking with the new owner. It'll be fun. But I will be wearing this:…

Or maybe this

Pssssht

Wearing one at a time, like an Old.







(Honestly, what an amazing moment in marketing history when Swatch managed to make it stylish to wear multiple wristwatches, sometimes on both arms.)
 
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OMG! The rubber cross-bar crystal protector thing. I haven't even thought about that since I was a teenager!
 
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My only concern here is that demand exceeds supply, that will be annoying.

I have several Speedmasters, and intend getting a couple of these. My daughter (9...nearly 10) is a massive space nut, and she wants one too (and I'm very willing to oblige)

Not a fan of Velcro straps, and swatches tend not to play nicely with other straps, hopefully will be easy to swap out. (Also who is going to be first to get one of these straps on a fullfat speedy)

Overall I'm good with this release, just hope the flippers are not their usual predictable selves and supply squashes their greed leaving them out of pocket.

Did make me feel a little queasy seeing the quartz tick motion on a speedy dial, coupled with the second hand not hitting the outer minute hashes, but I'll get over it


Finally, don't forget how loud swatches TICK!
 
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Sorry for a long one, but with the release of info having now hit the more general population, I’ve been front row to something interesting today that makes me view this OxS collab a little differently. Interested in other’s takes.

Everyone on this forum would agree that the watch buying/collecting world has changed drastically in the last 10 years especially. What has also changed, concurrently, is the general population’s view of “a watch guy.” Namely, most acutely in the younger generations through to even Gen-X, the notion of being a “watch guy” has become a dirty word/insult.

Before you on this forum take offense to the notion that “watch guy” has become a dirty word, just think of it through the lens of the general population: a “watch guy” in 2022 are the yahoo’s on Instagram only hype-flexing, the resellers with sleeve tattoos and raw denim on YouTube channels, and - in short - the same people we here on this forum are ALSO often giving the stink eye for what’s become of the watch world in the last 10ish years. Now, in 2022, *that’s* a “watch guy.”

At the core of this increasing disdain for the modern “watch guy” is the fact that modern luxury watches have become unobtainable, in both price and distribution, while simultaneously becoming so self-serious. Gone are the days that a middle-class gent (or lady) who just turned 40 could simply treat his (or her) self with a Speedy, or Sub, or - you name it. For the average person with average priorities in their 30’s? Forget about it. 20’s? May as well fire up the class war.

Which brings me to what I’ve witnessed today (for better or worse, you decide).

Part of my career has me float at the periphery of designers, architects, and other such creatives who are in various fields “taste makers.” Being in design, they more than the average population have an appreciation for product, history, etc., and inevitably know about iconic design pieces such as the Speedmaster. But they can rarely afford one.

And even if they could afford one, these days wearing one makes them dangerously close to appearing to be a “watch guy.” The younger they are, the more repulsed they are by that possibility.

But today, I was by chance roped into three separate group chats by creatives and (let’s again call them) “taste makers” from all around the country who were pepped up by this release.



Participating in those discussions, a real theme seemed to be an attraction to the irreverence Omega and Swatch we’re demonstrating. For once, not being so damn self-serious. In appearing to open the gate and say, hey, for $200 bucks let’s have some fun!

One of these chats were guys my age (early 40’s), who have some cool but affordable watches, and have only just gotten to points in their careers they could afford a Speedmasters if the wanted to, but - I think - are just turned off by what has become the threat of being perceived as “a watch guy” in 2022.

Another of these threads were guys in their 20s, who regularly and aggressively make fun of “watch guys,” and actively avoid any chance of appearance as a “watch guy” - proudly seeking out g-shocks, etc., to *emphasize*
(almost in protest) that theyre not “watch guys.”

Which brings me to seeing comments like this one:



That’s the sort of self-seriousness and gate-keeping that has more and more of the younger generations increasingly turned off by the mechanical watch world.

Maybe Omega’s point is precisely that Rolex would never do this?

Even if you have the money, you’re now aware that Rolex will seemingly laugh at you for wanting anything with its brand stamped on it.

Today’s the first time I’ve been roped into any watch discussion by these circles of the design and trends world that wasn’t instead about how stupid the watch world has become. But today, it was:




Maybe it will backfire, maybe it will succeed only by accident, who knows.

But if my tentacles into the world are any indication, today got people in the design and taste-making world talking about Omega in a more positive framing then I’ve seen the trend heading.

Apologies, long note in turn.

Interesting take. I have to say that the people you reference or have spoken to seem incredibly insecure and hyper focused on what other people think. To go out of their way to, as you said, "actively avoid any chance of appearance as a “watch guy” - proudly seeking out g-shocks, etc., to *emphasize* (almost in protest) that they're not “watch guys.'" is incredibly insecure and a bit immature or impish at best--not to mention, in trying to not be something, they are being something and something I personally find distasteful. Wear what you like is something we say to often in this community, but its very true. I'd add that we should have the courage to like what we like and not worry if we will appear to be anything "watch guy" or otherwise.

I'm 31, so right in the demographic you mentioned, and I have been collecting watches since I was 25. Between my own friends and acquaintances, my fiance's, and then friends of friends, I am fortunate enough to have a wide array of people in my life from varying demographic backgrounds (from low income to high, from all over the world, of varying ethnicities, and varying professions--students, artists, designers, bankers, lawyers, doctors, etc.). Between this and my professional career, which involves working with a lot of different people but mainly a large number of founders and young entrepreneurs/tech folks, I engage with people of all walks of life; yet never once have I ever seen anything, heard anything, or felt anything to suggest that being a "watch guy" is a negative or a toxic. Frankly, most people don't care or, if they do, it's usually a mild amusement or curiosity. Having said that, I do still find watches to be (sadly) very gendered, and a lot of guys I know in the 25-35 year old range like watches and wear a watch (traditional ones at that) even if they are not collectors. All of this to say, while I appreciate you are only sharing your experience, I thought I would share mine. It may well be that working with a specific demographic (you mention a few times that they are "trend setters" or the type) you are being given the attitude of one very small subset of the Gen Y demographic but I don't think it's very representative or something that Omega can bank on.

All of that aside, I have to say, this release(s) is personally (personally) disappointing. I'm a fan of Omega and Swatch. I have three Omegas and four Swatches in my collection. I have no issues with a collaboration of sorts, but I do have an issue with these releases being branded as Omegas and Speedmasters. Mainly that's because:
- the luxury goods industry today is about branding first and product second. The product still needs to be good or the brand can't hold on forever, but the quality of the product comes second to the brand (and brand equity can actually buy the product some forgiveness for shortcomings). Brand is critical because it communicates with the consumer, it makes them feel something or allows them to experience something and, after all, that is the entire point of most luxury goods.
- that is why you don't see a Louis Vuitton and Kirkland collaboration; or Channel making a bag in collaboration with Coach; and so on.
- a lot of people have brought up the VW and Porsche analogy or others, but that actually misses the point. There is not issue with Swatch Group owning Omega. So the whole VW owns Porsche, Lambo, etc. is irrelevant. It also does not matter that a company like Mercedes will make a $35,000 car and a $300,000 car--that's within the same brand. You have the same thing with Omega or Rolex, where their entry level models are $5000ish and their high-end pieces are hundreds of thousands, nothing wrong with that.
- The reason you do not see Porsche allowing Volkswagen to build a 911 Turbo with the look of a 911 Turbo but lesser parts, chassis, engine, and transmission, etc. and including both Porsche and VW name on it is because that would hurt the Porsche brand, which is a way of saying it would hurt the story it tells its consumers.
- these watches would have been perfectly fine if either (a) Omega had made an affordable Speedmaster itself (obviously wouldn't be $250 but something maybe in the $1200ish range) or, perhaps more appropriate, (b) Swatch had made these watches, Omega had licensed the case shape and overall design, but they had not included Omega or Speedmaster on the dial (or MoonSwatch for that matter; anyone else find it funny that the Sun, Saturn, etc. watches are called MoonSwatches?).

That's my long two cents, thought I would get it out lol. Time will tell, but I told my fiance about this release today and she (28 and not a watch person, but wears a Tudor Clair de Rose) was aghast. Her exact words "why would Omega do that"? Once she saw photos "these actually look okay, much better than I expected, but Omega has cheapened itself". Now, her opinion isn't the point, I just wonder how many other people--not "taste makers"--would think the same. Because I love Omega, I hope not many.
 
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I think it's a very strange decision for Omega to make, and I am not a fan of the watches, to my eyes, they look like McDonalds Happy Meal toys.

That said, I am 49 years old so not exactly the target demographic. Maybe the TikTok generation will like them, I don't know. I guess it gives the youtube heads something to talk about at least.


I am a 38 years old moonwatch owner who is really hyped about the release. I’m looking forward to some quirky Speedmasters in odd colors. I hope I’ll get one or two.
 
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I am a 38 years old moonwatch owner who is really hyped about the release. I’m looking forward to some quirky Speedmasters in odd colors. I hope I’ll get one or two.
Me too.

I think it will serve its purpose for enthusiasts. I think it will condition young people to like the Omega brand, by allowing to buy at an affordable price point and likely in time they will purchase the real version at a later point in time.

I think it is marketing genius.
 
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#Checks Swatch.com for stores selling these in Dublin

#Finds none

#Understands bitterness ::stirthepot::

Would you believe I walked past the Swatch store at the top of Grafton St last night and it was boarded up? It must have closed sometime in the last week or two, because I pass it almost daily and I never pegged it was closed until yesterday.

Oh, cruel fate! Why dost thou mock me? 😲
 
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Maybe Omega’s point is precisely that Rolex would never do this?

Spot on.

The people with their arms in the air complaining that their $7,000 Speedmaster in the future now might only be worth $6,000 instead if $8,000 are in this hobby for the wrong reasons and with the wrong brand. Omega has ALWAYS been contemporary and innovative and now the Speedmaster brand has finally caught up in a manner that is - to my knowledge - an industry first. An ironic and fun take on the self-absorbed trend of collaborations where watch brands smear themselves in the pretend coolness of watch blogs and similar who on the other hand get to choose a slightly different tone of dial colour and a special NATO strap. Get a grip...

If I was in the serious end of the watch industry and was working on a collaboration* with someone, this would make me rethink everything I'd done so far.

*I can't be the only one annoyed with the "x" part of this trend?
 
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There's a difference between not liking something and calling products 'shitters' and dropping further denigrations on company executives, fans of the brand, etc. If the collaboration just isn't your cup of tea, and you weren't being a jerk about other people having fun, I doubt you were in the group of people I was talking about.
No one is using bad language here or speaking bad of specific people.
 
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Which causes me to wonder: what is the springbar situation on these watches?
I scoured the internet last night looking for this answer. The best thing about not having a swatch dealer near me and not getting one at launch is I'll be able to find out this answer before committing to buying one. If these live on those velcro straps, unable to be swapped out for something else, then I'm already over the collaboration. I love the fun colors but if I can't mix and match straps then the fun ends...
 
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My only concern here is that demand exceeds supply, that will be annoying.

I have several Speedmasters, and intend getting a couple of these. My daughter (9...nearly 10) is a massive space nut, and she wants one too (and I'm very willing to oblige)

Not a fan of Velcro straps, and swatches tend not to play nicely with other straps, hopefully will be easy to swap out. (Also who is going to be first to get one of these straps on a fullfat speedy)

Overall I'm good with this release, just hope the flippers are not their usual predictable selves and supply squashes their greed leaving them out of pocket.

Did make me feel a little queasy seeing the quartz tick motion on a speedy dial, coupled with the second hand not hitting the outer minute hashes, but I'll get over it


Finally, don't forget how loud swatches TICK!
Yes. If demand exceeds supply it will be very counter productive for whatever Omega are trying to do. I hope this is a fad that passes.
 
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No one is using bad language here or speaking bad of specific people.
Indeed, people on this forum tend to be fairly cordial, but on the broad internet, such language is very commonly used by people hyperfocused on how much a brand can make its watches dance on the secondhand market.
 
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Indeed, people on this forum tend to be fairly cordial, but on the broad internet, such language is very commonly used by people hyperfocused on how much a brand can make its watches dance on the secondhand market.
Absolutely, on this forum it is about discussion not being nasty.
 
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As a Speedmaster owner and lover, I think these are great and a smart move by Swatch\Omega.

Having any Speedmaster on your wrist is a very cool thing if you ask me.

As for someone worrying that its hurting values and the brand etc, they need to get over it. The watch industry that brands like Rolex have created is an ugly one if you ask me, and certainly not enjoyable. I used to be a big Rolex guy, now they turn me off in a big way
 
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It looks like the Soyuz MS21 cosmonauts wore such a SWATCH Speedmaster chronograph 🤔
 
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I'm not into anything just because it holds a certain value or could be seen as an investment. This is certainly true to me with watches. I like what I like and at the end of the day it's a hobby. On the other hand I respect others beliefs if they want to get into watches for investment...... Good luck with that.

That said, this thread has reminded me about another topic years back when ford released the EV mach mustang and the ford community was in an uproar 😁. Now years later and over 63k machs e's sold its funny to watch the latest barret jackson and see vintage mustangs still selling for hundreds of thousands of dollars. Looks like the ford brand and the name mustang made it out the other side just fine.

Behold, Fords MoonSwatch
 
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Swatch quartz watches are non repairable and eventually they will stop working, I've got a bunch of Swatches from that era and they just no longer operate even with a fresh battery. But Omega's name is on the dial of these new watches yet in five to ten years many will become unfunctional. Perhaps that is irrelevant but who wants an Omega that doesn't work and can't be repaired?

Hmm. A disposable watch. So much for the "eco" / "green" credentials.

I guess I’m in the minority
I was so impressed with the newer omegas that I started to believe they could legitimately make a run at Rolex

instead they do this ?

what $250 watch would Rolex allow their name on?

If you want playful that’s fine just don’t use the omega logo. I own a lot of omegas and am seriously questioning the long term values now

And at least Omega have a sense of humour, unlike the inscrutable and pompous Rolex.

Anyhoo, do we know whether these are or are not a limited edition?
 
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Agreed on what you say re Rolex. My ceramic Sub is to valuable to be worn in London as a watch. Just lives in the safe. To be fair I lost interest in watches with numbers on the bezel. My non ceramic I sold years ago. Love my DeVille, citizen and G shock