What’s happening on March 26th then?

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Swatch says it has a silky or powdery feel. They expressed the feel several times. Didn't hear about the weight.

Edit: there's a video on Swatch site about bioceramic, not about these speedmasters.

My sense is Swatch is all about this bioceramic. They care more about it than the speedmaster. The speedmaster seems to be a means to promote the bioceramic. I suspect Omega had little to no say in the project.
It’s a Speedmaster and “omega had no say in the project” 🙄🤦🤨
 
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I think it's a very strange decision for Omega to make, and I am not a fan of the watches, to my eyes, they look like McDonalds Happy Meal toys.

That said, I am 49 years old so not exactly the target demographic. Maybe the TikTok generation will like them, I don't know. I guess it gives the youtube heads something to talk about at least.
 
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Maybe it will backfire, maybe it will succeed only by accident, who knows.

But if my tentacles into the world are any indication, today got people in the design and taste-making world talking about Omega in a more positive framing then I’ve seen the trend heading.

That feels spot on. I am struck by how much excitement among people in the taste-making world is generated by releases such as the Seiko X Rowing Blazers collaboration, and how much more inclusive (for lack of a better world) watches like these feel to a whole world of people for whom spending a few thousand dollars on a watch, let alone more than 10K, is either impossible or feels inappropriate, or downright immoral.

I think Omega and Swatch have hit a home run with this collaboration and I salute the Swatch group for letting it happen without letting fear of "damaging the brand" get in the way.
 
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Sorry for a long one, but with the release of info having now hit the more general population, I’ve been front row to something interesting today that makes me view this OxS collab a little differently. Interested in other’s takes.

your main mistake here is extrapolating a focus group and treating it as if it were a survey of general public.
 
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We need to start a pool... What time will the first one be posted on EBay? What will be the "Buy it Now" price be?
instantly...$1000
 
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I can't imagine Swatch/Omega being too pleased with Revolution for such a massive f*ck up and releasing this a day early on accident. I'm guessing they won't be on too many other future releases from Omega/Swatch in the future.
Revolution is an Australian site, so it was already the 24th when they released the pics. I doubt they will be in any trouble, it only adds to the hype. Can't wait to pick one up. A nice fun watch. Can't decide between the Earth model or the grey and burgendy one.
 
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It’s a Speedmaster and “omega had no say in the project” 🙄🤦🤨

It does seem illogical, or contrary to how a corporation should decide this kind of move.

However, even Omega has people above them.

There's no documentation on the deliberations and I'm just pulling this out of my kinster. But have you watched the video? Seeing how excited they are about this bioceramic and how they describe it as something transformative on which they will build the future, it occurred to me that they were looking more for a way to promote this new material than what Omega wanted, IMHO.
 
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@pdxleaf 😉

This will be the gateway to people wanting a real Speedmaster.

A case full of Bioceramic SWATCH Moonwatches at under $500

A bioceramic example of what to expect




What is Bioceramic


It is a marketing term. I wonder what Omega would charge to service these? I think Omega service on a chronograph starts at £670 in U.K. and a three hand date watch is £450
 
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Sorry for a long one, but with the release of info having now hit the more general population, I’ve been front row to something interesting today that makes me view this OxS collab a little differently. Interested in other’s takes.

Everyone on this forum would agree that the watch buying/collecting world has changed drastically in the last 10 years especially. What has also changed, concurrently, is the general population’s view of “a watch guy.” Namely, most acutely in the younger generations through to even Gen-X, the notion of being a “watch guy” has become a dirty word/insult.

Before you on this forum take offense to the notion that “watch guy” has become a dirty word, just think of it through the lens of the general population: a “watch guy” in 2022 are the yahoo’s on Instagram only hype-flexing, the resellers with sleeve tattoos and raw denim on YouTube channels, and - in short - the same people we here on this forum are ALSO often giving the stink eye for what’s become of the watch world in the last 10ish years. Now, in 2022, *that’s* a “watch guy.”

At the core of this increasing disdain for the modern “watch guy” is the fact that modern luxury watches have become unobtainable, in both price and distribution, while simultaneously becoming so self-serious. Gone are the days that a middle-class gent (or lady) who just turned 40 could simply treat his (or her) self with a Speedy, or Sub, or - you name it. For the average person with average priorities in their 30’s? Forget about it. 20’s? May as well fire up the class war.

Which brings me to what I’ve witnessed today (for better or worse, you decide).

Part of my career has me float at the periphery of designers, architects, and other such creatives who are in various fields “taste makers.” Being in design, they more than the average population have an appreciation for product, history, etc., and inevitably know about iconic design pieces such as the Speedmaster. But they can rarely afford one.

And even if they could afford one, these days wearing one makes them dangerously close to appearing to be a “watch guy.” The younger they are, the more repulsed they are by that possibility.

But today, I was by chance roped into three separate group chats by creatives and (let’s again call them) “taste makers” from all around the country who were pepped up by this release.



Participating in those discussions, a real theme seemed to be an attraction to the irreverence Omega and Swatch we’re demonstrating. For once, not being so damn self-serious. In appearing to open the gate and say, hey, for $200 bucks let’s have some fun!

One of these chats were guys my age (early 40’s), who have some cool but affordable watches, and have only just gotten to points in their careers they could afford a Speedmasters if the wanted to, but - I think - are just turned off by what has become the threat of being perceived as “a watch guy” in 2022.

Another of these threads were guys in their 20s, who regularly and aggressively make fun of “watch guys,” and actively avoid any chance of appearance as a “watch guy” - proudly seeking out g-shocks, etc., to *emphasize*
(almost in protest) that theyre not “watch guys.”

Which brings me to seeing comments like this one:



That’s the sort of self-seriousness and gate-keeping that has more and more of the younger generations increasingly turned off by the mechanical watch world.

Maybe Omega’s point is precisely that Rolex would never do this?

Even if you have the money, you’re now aware that Rolex will seemingly laugh at you for wanting anything with its brand stamped on it.

Today’s the first time I’ve been roped into any watch discussion by these circles of the design and trends world that wasn’t instead about how stupid the watch world has become. But today, it was:




Maybe it will backfire, maybe it will succeed only by accident, who knows.

But if my tentacles into the world are any indication, today got people in the design and taste-making world talking about Omega in a more positive framing then I’ve seen the trend heading.

20 year olds aggressively make fun of everything and everybody.

They are no more independent arbiters of taste and innovation than any other segment, IMHO.

There are 20 and 30 year "watch guys" who are just as into horology and history as old twats.

Not to be argumentative, but I don't buy this explanation. I agree that it's great to reach a young generation and people with less income. I also agree that it's good to have a fun watch. To me, this feels a little like wearing the family heirlooms to the carnival. There's a place for carnival for sure and it's a lot of fun, but does everything have to be brought down and made available to the masses?

I know, taking it too seriously. It's not a rational argument. I just like the old girl and feel like she's been tarted up and sold cheap.
 
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It is a marketing term. I wonder what Omega would charge to service these? I think Omega service on a chronograph starts at £670 in U.K. and a three hand date watch is £450

Others have noted that Swatch watches don't get serviced. They have batteries replaced until they no longer function. They are essentially throw away at the end of their useful life. Still to be determined.
 
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Others have noted that Swatch watches don't get serviced. They have batteries replaced until they no longer function. They are essentially throw away at the end of their useful life. Still to be determined.
But it has Omega on the dial.
 
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But it has Omega on the dial.
Once again so do all of the Omega Devilles of the 1980s
 
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Once again so do all of the Omega Devilles of the 1980s
Yes but the Omega from the 1980s at the time and to a degree now are serviceable. The quality of an Omega quartz and a Swatch quarts are different. Even Patek have ladies quartz watches, I am sure they are serviceable and not designed to be thrown away after a few years.
 
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Surprised how toxic one portion of the watch community is about 'brand value' and 'what Omega ought to be doing.' Rolex produced Tudor Submariners and Oysters to make their watches more accessible. Omega is now doing the same in a limited capacity, and with a twist that is decidedly more in tune with modern tastes. The reception among the target demographics has been quite solid – I know of people aspiring for an Omega who are enthusiastic about these releases (and are still set on purchasing a Speedmaster or Seamaster down the line), and I also know collectors who are going to try and assemble full sets of these fun timepieces.

The toxic feedback is coming from people who were probably never going to stick with Omega to begin with. They'll plant themselves behind any brand they perceive as 'holding value.' Their loyalty is inherently weaker than someone who will stick with a brand due to a sentimental bond. Strong bonds like those, I expect this collaboration will create them in droves.
 
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your main mistake here is extrapolating a focus group and treating it as if it were a survey of general public.

your main mistake is acting like I’m doing anything here other than just chatting, and about obviously anecdotal information 👎

which, so far, is the absolute standard submission for this entire thread

20 year olds aggressively make fun of everything and everybody.

This is a silly throw-away sort of thing to say, as it’s demonstrably false (there are a *lot* of things 20 year olds think *are* interesting, cool, important, etc.).

Whether you care or not, is beside the point. Whether Omega cares, was the point.

They are no more independent arbiters of taste and innovation than any other segment, IMHO.

I’m not sure what you’re talking about. 20 year olds generally?

I work with people who design luxury products or luxury retail experiences, professionally, some of whom are in their 20’s and 30’s. These are young people who, broadly speaking, pay more attention than the average person, and ultimately have more considered opinions about and influence on various parts of the luxury segment than the average person.

My post was merely pointing out that for the first time, in my obviously anecdotal experience, these sorts of folks (whether 20, or 45, etc.) are even a little bit interested. They’re looking to see if a Swatch store is near them.

There are 20 and 30 year "watch guys" who are just as into horology and history as old twats.

Obviously.

I was one of them when I joined this forum 10 years ago.

But now, today, those sorts are exceptions to the rule. The Instagram and TikToc hype beast horde have co-opted watches as being one of the talismans of their vapid sort of “taste.”

Enough that people “into horology and history” dislike them, while people not yet into horology and history understandably find it increasingly hard to understand the difference.

Whether Omega pulls off the idea is one thing, and whether Omega had an idea is another.
 
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The toxic feedback is coming from people who were probably never going to stick with Omega to begin with. They'll plant themselves behind any brand they perceive as 'holding value.' Their loyalty is inherently weaker than someone who will stick with a brand due to a sentimental bond. Strong bonds like those, I expect this collaboration will create them in droves.

Ouch. Toxic to not like something seems a bit harsh.

Well, time to head over to the Tell me a joke thread.

Cheers.
 
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Have any of the bloggers said what the weight of these feel like? Does bioceramic have any heft to it, or are these light weight?

Robert’s/Fratello’s video mentions them being light weight, and so pairing well with Velcro strap’s lighter weight.

Which causes me to wonder: what is the springbar situation on these watches?

Wonder what surprises might be in store for someone putting these on a hefty leather strap?
 
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In Hong Kong Swatch has announced that there will be a limit of 2 watches per customer (in two different colors). People are anticipating some folks might line up overnight to get first dibs.
 
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Ouch. Toxic to not like something seems a bit harsh.

Well, time to head over to the Tell me a joke thread.

Cheers.
There's a difference between not liking something and calling products 'shitters' and dropping further denigrations on company executives, fans of the brand, etc. If the collaboration just isn't your cup of tea, and you weren't being a jerk about other people having fun, I doubt you were in the group of people I was talking about.
 
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There's a difference between not liking something and calling products 'shitters' and dropping further denigrations on company executives, fans of the brand, etc. If the collaboration just isn't your cup of tea, and you weren't being a jerk about other people having fun, I doubt you were in the group of people I was talking about.

Yep, you're right. Just people sharing different perspectives. Not like it's Ukraine.

Looking forward to seeing one if the flesh and talking with the new owner. It'll be fun. But I will be wearing this:


Or maybe this


Or this


Or this


Or it could be this if its Friday


Cheers.