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SteveShepherd
·Try policing it for while :-(
Wearing an expensive watch in London
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MauiSurfBrah
·I was taking long exposure, tripod assisted shots of le Tour Eiffel a while ago and was robbed of my camera and a few hundred Euro I had in my wallet. Granted it was about 2 AM, but that's a pretty high-traffic area, even in the middle of the night. 5 males aged between 18-50 approached me rather quickly and caught me off guard. I at least had my iPhone in an inside coat pocket and they didn't get it. One kid ran off with my camera and another with my wallet. I called out to one guy who oddly stayed fairly close and begged him to bring back my wallet for my ID and etc but keep the cash. He was an idiot and did. I carry a spring assist knife and made use of it when he got close enough. I won't say more than this but the next 20 minutes got pretty sketchy and two of the guys ended up in jail that night. Never got my camera or cash back, but kept my life and self-respect.
When I've traveled through London, I've actually been more nervous that a bobby would see I was packing a knife and I'd get some serious charge for it, especially for being a foreigner. That's not to say that I wasn't ever nervous around certain crowds, but I always try to be aware of my surroundings and look out for them "bad guys". I think that's part of the key anytime you go abroad. Shoot, that's important anytime you go out even in the US if you're going somewhere you've never been before. In this day and age, there are unscrupulous people who will take advantage of any situation. I feel bad for others who've been in situations like mine, or worse. The acid thing is pretty evil. 😡
When I've traveled through London, I've actually been more nervous that a bobby would see I was packing a knife and I'd get some serious charge for it, especially for being a foreigner. That's not to say that I wasn't ever nervous around certain crowds, but I always try to be aware of my surroundings and look out for them "bad guys". I think that's part of the key anytime you go abroad. Shoot, that's important anytime you go out even in the US if you're going somewhere you've never been before. In this day and age, there are unscrupulous people who will take advantage of any situation. I feel bad for others who've been in situations like mine, or worse. The acid thing is pretty evil. 😡
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tyrantlizardrex
·I carry a spring assist knife and made use of it when he got close enough.I've actually been more nervous that a bobby would see I was packing a knife and I'd get some serious charge for it, especially for being a foreigner.
I've actually been more nervous that a bobby would see I was packing a knife and I'd get some serious charge for it, especially for being a foreigner.
Yeah, breaking the law does tend to lead to a serious charge, although it's more likely you'd have it confiscated and get a warning.
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frederico
·I carry a spring assist knife and made use of it when he got close enough.
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frederico
·You stabbed the guy over a camera?
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frederico
·Yeah but I think most were Russian tourists visiting Salisbury inadvertently leaving bottles of poison around.
The rest it seems Americans trying to protect their cameras...
The rest it seems Americans trying to protect their cameras...
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MauiSurfBrah
·Yeah, breaking the law does tend to lead to a serious charge, although it's more likely you'd have it confiscated and get a warning.
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michael22
·A quick googling suggests that the violent crime rate in London was about 25 per 1000 people(2008/9), higher than Baltimore (worst city in USA, 2017) with about 20 per 1000 people. Very hard to compare because of no reporting standards, & the 10 year gap.
FBI data reveals some of the most violent cities in nearly every state ...https://www.businessinsider.com/most-violent-city-every-us-state-fbi-2018-4
Crime in London - Wikipediahttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crime_in_London
FBI data reveals some of the most violent cities in nearly every state ...https://www.businessinsider.com/most-violent-city-every-us-state-fbi-2018-4
Crime in London - Wikipediahttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crime_in_London
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SteveShepherd
·Excerpt from one of the media outlets this week:
“The Metropolitan Police has launched more than 80 murder investigations since the start of 2018, including the deaths of two children whose bodies were found in Sussex”
It’s not every day but this equates to one every four days and these are “just” murder statistics. The assault, robbery and burglary stats make sobering reading indeed. I’m not saying don’t go but I am saying ( & the facts are the facts) you need to be VERY aware if you do go. The advice is free, you don’t have to take it 😉
“The Metropolitan Police has launched more than 80 murder investigations since the start of 2018, including the deaths of two children whose bodies were found in Sussex”
It’s not every day but this equates to one every four days and these are “just” murder statistics. The assault, robbery and burglary stats make sobering reading indeed. I’m not saying don’t go but I am saying ( & the facts are the facts) you need to be VERY aware if you do go. The advice is free, you don’t have to take it 😉
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tyrantlizardrex
·Homicide statistics for the year ending March 2017 (newest available data set)
https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopula...homicideinenglandandwales/yearendingmarch2017
"There were 709 homicides in the year ending March 2017, 141 more (25% increase) than in the previous year, this includes the 96 cases of manslaughter that resulted from events at Hillsborough in 1989; excluding these the number of homicides increased by 8%."
613 homicides in total from March 2016 to March 2017.
"There were 12 offences of homicide per million population in the year ending March 2017 (10 homicides per million population excluding Hillsborough victims)."
Per 1 million people, 10 homicides were recorded.
During 2017 there were approximately 8.6 million people in London.
Plus 19.8 million tourists - https://www.visitbritain.org/2017-snapshot
So 28.4 million people in London.
But homicide stats don't count tourists (the things I learn whilst writing an OF post).
So the expected statistical rate of Homicides in London for the year was 86.
The actual figure was higher, at 130 (including 14 terrorist incidents).
"The Metropolitan Police figures show that in 2017 there were 130 homicides, of which 14 were victims of terrorist incidents. While in 2014 there were 84 homicides. Excluding the victims of terrorism, that’s a 38% increase in the number of homicides in the city between 2014 and 2017." (https://fullfact.org/crime/has-number-murders-london-overtaken-new-york/).
So we can go for the sensationalism of the gutter press, or the facts... I personally prefer the facts.
https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopula...homicideinenglandandwales/yearendingmarch2017
"There were 709 homicides in the year ending March 2017, 141 more (25% increase) than in the previous year, this includes the 96 cases of manslaughter that resulted from events at Hillsborough in 1989; excluding these the number of homicides increased by 8%."
613 homicides in total from March 2016 to March 2017.
"There were 12 offences of homicide per million population in the year ending March 2017 (10 homicides per million population excluding Hillsborough victims)."
Per 1 million people, 10 homicides were recorded.
During 2017 there were approximately 8.6 million people in London.
Plus 19.8 million tourists - https://www.visitbritain.org/2017-snapshot
So 28.4 million people in London.
But homicide stats don't count tourists (the things I learn whilst writing an OF post).
So the expected statistical rate of Homicides in London for the year was 86.
The actual figure was higher, at 130 (including 14 terrorist incidents).
"The Metropolitan Police figures show that in 2017 there were 130 homicides, of which 14 were victims of terrorist incidents. While in 2014 there were 84 homicides. Excluding the victims of terrorism, that’s a 38% increase in the number of homicides in the city between 2014 and 2017." (https://fullfact.org/crime/has-number-murders-london-overtaken-new-york/).
So we can go for the sensationalism of the gutter press, or the facts... I personally prefer the facts.
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MauiSurfBrah
·You stabbed the guy over a camera?
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frederico
·You held a guy at knifepoint for some images of the Eiffel Tower?
You should have roundhouse kicked him to the head while you were at it. And then shot him with that M16 you were concealed carrying.
Jeez...
You should have roundhouse kicked him to the head while you were at it. And then shot him with that M16 you were concealed carrying.
Jeez...
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tyrantlizardrex
·While I do carry a knife with me pretty much everywhere I go (a habit I've picked up from sailing all over the world), it's certainly more a tool than "security device", I'm not the type of paranoid American that feels compelled to carry a concealed gun around while stateside. Not that there's anything wrong there; I have heaps of friends and family who do. It has come in handy countless times as a tool and I'm glad I've been able to use it when I needed to.
https://www.gov.uk/buying-carrying-knives
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MauiSurfBrah
·Yeah but I think most were Russian tourists visiting Salisbury inadvertently leaving bottles of poison around.
The rest it seems Americans trying to protect their cameras...
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MauiSurfBrah
·
Oh yeah, I remember reading that before. The knife I carry has a blade just under 3", so I was okay there, but it does lock. Anyway, I was aware of the risk of carrying it, but chose to anyway. It's super beat up, has spots of paint on it and I can easily show that I carry it out of habit from years sailing, so I think most LEO's would have like you said, just confiscated it and given me a warning. At least I'm not out mugging people for watches (or cameras, frederico). Best wishes to anyone who ever has to go through a situation like that. 😲
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SteveShepherd
·Homicide statistics for the year ending March 2017 (newest available data set)
https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopula...homicideinenglandandwales/yearendingmarch2017
"There were 709 homicides in the year ending March 2017, 141 more (25% increase) than in the previous year, this includes the 96 cases of manslaughter that resulted from events at Hillsborough in 1989; excluding these the number of homicides increased by 8%."
613 homicides in total from March 2016 to March 2017.
"There were 12 offences of homicide per million population in the year ending March 2017 (10 homicides per million population excluding Hillsborough victims)."
Per 1 million people, 10 homicides were recorded.
During 2017 there were approximately 8.6 million people in London.
Plus 19.8 million tourists - https://www.visitbritain.org/2017-snapshot
So 28.4 million people in London.
But homicide stats don't count tourists (the things I learn whilst writing an OF post).
So the expected statistical rate of Homicides in London for the year was 86.
The actual figure was higher, at 130 (including 14 terrorist incidents).
"The Metropolitan Police figures show that in 2017 there were 130 homicides, of which 14 were victims of terrorist incidents. While in 2014 there were 84 homicides. Excluding the victims of terrorism, that’s a 38% increase in the number of homicides in the city between 2014 and 2017." (https://fullfact.org/crime/has-number-murders-london-overtaken-new-york/).
So we can go for the sensationalism of the gutter press, or the facts... I personally prefer the facts.
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tyrantlizardrex
·These are definitely interesting figures but we were talking about London specifically.
If you read the post, you'll discover that so was I - the wider national statistics above help with context.
Here's the part about London (that's in my post above):
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So the expected statistical rate of Homicides in London for the year was 86.
The actual figure was higher, at 130 (including 14 terrorist incidents).
"The Metropolitan Police figures show that in 2017 there were 130 homicides, of which 14 were victims of terrorist incidents. While in 2014 there were 84 homicides. Excluding the victims of terrorism, that’s a 38% increase in the number of homicides in the city between 2014 and 2017." (https://fullfact.org/crime/has-number-murders-london-overtaken-new-york/).
So we can go for the sensationalism of the gutter press, or the facts... I personally prefer the facts.
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michael22
·homicides are a small subset of violent crimes.
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tyrantlizardrex
·homicides are a small subset of violent crimes.
True.
And you're more than welcome to dive into the statistics to work out what the other crime rates were... I'm done making my point that London is not the war zone that the tabloids have stated that it is.
Believing that crap is akin to believing that everyone in the US owns nuclear weapons, and regularly uses them on each other.
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Lugduno
·True.
And you're more than welcome to dive into the statistics to work out what the other crime rates were... I'm done making my point that London is not the war zone that the tabloids have stated that it is.
Believing that crap is akin to believing that everyone in the US owns nuclear weapons, and regularly uses them on each other.
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