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Was at the Omega AD today! 321 rumors...
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Norfolk
·Popped into the OB today for a chat...talk was....
50th anniversary is going to be ltd ed of 6969. Will have new calibre ref 3861, based on current 861. US will get 12.5% of total production run.
321 will make appearance later in the year in a very limited way.
Forgive me if this is old news to forum members - it was new to me!
50th anniversary is going to be ltd ed of 6969. Will have new calibre ref 3861, based on current 861. US will get 12.5% of total production run.
321 will make appearance later in the year in a very limited way.
Forgive me if this is old news to forum members - it was new to me!
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Foo2rama
··Nowhere near as grumpy as he used to be...Popped into the OB today for a chat...talk was....
50th anniversary is going to be ltd ed of 6969. Will have new calibre ref 3861, based on current 861. US will get 12.5% of total production run.
321 will make appearance later in the year in a very limited way.
Forgive me if this is old news to forum members - it was new to me!
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snarkq
·Popped into the OB today for a chat...talk was....
50th anniversary is going to be ltd ed of 6969. Will have new calibre ref 3861, based on current 861. US will get 12.5% of total production run.
321 will make appearance later in the year in a very limited way.
Forgive me if this is old news to forum members - it was new to me!
I also heard the 3861 was based on 1861, not 861, and has added anti-magnetic properties. But essentially a modern evolution of the movement.
I also heard it would be $6969 but i wasn't sure if that was true since they did later mention the lot size. So I'm not sure if they misspoke on this point. 321 would be "low hundreds" per year, which would make it insanely limited, and my guess, also quite expensive.
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·Low hundreds a year and over £12,000?
Love it cause they’ll never pose a threat to the vintage 321 market. I don’t need or want a new 321 Speedmaster.
I’m betting that many of the part numbers, when published, will reveal that, other than screws and other bits, the parts will not be interchangeable with vintage.
Love it cause they’ll never pose a threat to the vintage 321 market. I don’t need or want a new 321 Speedmaster.
I’m betting that many of the part numbers, when published, will reveal that, other than screws and other bits, the parts will not be interchangeable with vintage.
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Norfolk
·No price mentioned but 5k deposit stated, but I had to buy ANOTHER watch to quailfy for it through US OB....
Yes was 1861 base with anti mag properties
321 will be VERY limited. Apparently. Senior guy was in the OB at the time...
Yes was 1861 base with anti mag properties
321 will be VERY limited. Apparently. Senior guy was in the OB at the time...
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ext1
·I’m betting that many of the part numbers, when published, will reveal that, other than screws and other bits, the parts will not be interchangeable with vintage.
Yes, hence why I don't really consider this to be a revival of the 321... revival of 321 for me is seeing the exactly original movement from back then being used at their normal offerings.
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Norfolk
·on another matter, I was told that the NASA issued Speedmasters in the 1970s had US-made cases to qualify for some Govt order to use US products in the program?!!
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airansun
·on another matter, I was told that the NASA issued Speedmasters in the 1970s had US-made cases to qualify for some Govt order to use US products in the program?!!
Truth. Federal law required a certain amount of US content in the Speedmaster, so an American firm made the cases for the NASA watches, at least for a period of time. I’ve seen a photo of the inside caseback of one somewhere.
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airansun
·Well, it can’t be all of them. I found this is MWO.
That’s obviously a CB case and I doubt an American manufacturer would have imitated the CB case, available for only part of the 105.012-66 reference.
That’s obviously a CB case and I doubt an American manufacturer would have imitated the CB case, available for only part of the 105.012-66 reference.
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lustrousaurus
·Well this is some exciting news. Can't wait to see what they do with 3861 and if they will show it off with a display case back. Maybe a laser etching on the glass?
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wsfarrell
·Popped into the OB today for a chat...talk was....
50th anniversary is going to be ltd ed of 6969. Will have new calibre ref 3861, based on current 861. US will get 12.5% of total production run.
321 will make appearance later in the year in a very limited way.
Forgive me if this is old news to forum members - it was new to me!
A quartz movement in the anniversary watch would be super accurate. A co-axial movement would be highly-refined mechanical. A revived 321 movement would be rich with historical significance. [And let's not kid ourselves: Omega could easily make sufficient numbers of 321's for the anniversary LE. This "one watchmaker from start to finish" reeks of Rolex hype: remember "it takes a year to build a Rolex"? Right.] And the appeal of an updated 861 is...um.....er......zip. Nada. Absolutely zero. What were they thinking?
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Foo2rama
··Nowhere near as grumpy as he used to be...So, Omega offers a limited edition 50th anniversary moonwatch AND a revived 321 movement in the same year, and DOES NOT put the 321 in the moonwatch? Okay, I'm out.
A quartz movement in the anniversary watch would be super accurate. A co-axial movement would be highly-refined mechanical. A revived 321 movement would be rich with historical significance. [And let's not kid ourselves: Omega could easily make sufficient numbers of 321's for the anniversary LE. This "one watchmaker from start to finish" reeks of Rolex hype: remember "it takes a year to build a Rolex"? Right.] And the appeal of an updated 861 is...um.....er......zip. Nada. Absolutely zero. What were they thinking?
Sure we would like a mass production 321 in our hearts...
https://www.watchtime.com/wristwatc...irst-omega-wrist-chronograph-limited-edition/
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wsfarrell
·This is the second project from Omega’s Atelier Tourbillon department that did the 18 CHRO LE last year.
It doesn’t seem to me that they want to do the tooling for large runs of the 321.
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orlis
·It seems that some stuff in OBs could not resist from sharing few extra details before official introduction 😉
If it is going to be anti magnetic, maybe they will also adjust it to chronometer standard? There was already such limited edition.
If it is going to be anti magnetic, maybe they will also adjust it to chronometer standard? There was already such limited edition.
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Ree
·I think it’s a production issue. This is the second project from Omega’s Atelier Tourbillon department that did the 18 CHRO LE last year. It doesn’t seem to me that they want to do the tooling for large runs of the 321. Instead it will be small hand built batches. I’m sure they did a cost demand calc on doing a few thousand and it didn’t make sense.
Sure we would like a mass production 321 in our hearts...
https://www.watchtime.com/wristwatc...irst-omega-wrist-chronograph-limited-edition/
That's why it might not overlap with Apollo / SpeedyTuesday product ranges. So in essence they will have:
- regular Moonwatch bigbox for mass market versions
- FOIS / CK2998 for straight lug model versions
- Apollo / Gemini anniversaries for enthusiasts. Using current mass-produced movements
- Speedy Tuesday for online enthusiasts. Using current mass-produced movements
- Reissue of 321 for vintage/heritage enthusiasts. (Through this they 'get a cut' out of the vintage market too). Limited quantity using 321 cal.
Each of the product range might have different iterations and new model releases every few years. To target different segments and hence sell more Speedmasters than ever.
Just my guess on the strategy.
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Foo2rama
··Nowhere near as grumpy as he used to be...Informative, thanks.
So 6,969 anniversary watches with 321's wouldn't be cost effective? (Honest question, I'm not into manufacturing economics.)
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Ian_km
·Popped into the OB today for a chat...talk was....
50th anniversary is going to be ltd ed of 6969. Will have new calibre ref 3861, based on current 861. US will get 12.5% of total production run.
321 will make appearance later in the year in a very limited way.
Forgive me if this is old news to forum members - it was new to me!
Is 6,969 more than the 60th trilogy edition? At least there may be a chance of purchasing new from an AD or OB.
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LeonDeBayonne
·Is 6,969 more than the 60th trilogy edition? At least there may be a chance of purchasing new from an AD or OB.
Yes, the trilogy edition was 3,557 + 500 included in the sets.
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