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Hi,

I'm wondering because I have an opportunity to buy vintage omega watch, dont have a photo but its like this:

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but with different hands, and its manual wind. But has date window at 3, same indexes and arabic numerals on 6 12 and 9. Totally Flat screw down case back, with seamaster logo and name there. There is no 600 or 30 under seamaster name on dial.
My question is, do you know that there was vintage black dial omega seamaster, manually winded and with date option?
 
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It’s a repainted dial. Definitely a pass from me.

It’s trying to mimic the Ranchero style dial.
 
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Davidt Davidt
It’s a repainted dial. Definitely a pass from me.

It’s trying to mimic the Ranchero style dial.

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wasnt there something like this? Omega 30 or 600 werent they also made in black with that lume indexes? Or all similar I can find in the internet are repainted fakes?
 
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Number of 60’s technical dials made around 1968, but nothing like this.

avoid
 
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DON DON
Number of 60’s technical dials made around 1968, but nothing like this.

avoid
could you be more precise? I dont understand apart from avoid 😉
 
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Wizzar Wizzar
could you be more precise? I dont understand apart from avoid 😉

the dial is not original, so it’s devalued vs. The original dial

avoid, do not buy, do not touch with a 10 foot pole etc. unless it’s really cheap
 
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Wizzar Wizzar
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wasnt there something like this? Omega 30 or 600 werent they also made in black with that lume indexes? Or all similar I can find in the internet are repainted fakes?

That one’s also repainted. This style is very desirable so many ‘dealers’ have poor silver dials repainted in this style, hence the large volume of them on eBay etc. 99 out of 100 are repainted.
 
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That one’s also repainted. This style is very desirable so many ‘dealers’ have poor silver dials repainted in this style, hence the large volume of them on eBay etc. 99 out of 100 are repainted.
yes but my question is, is there ANY legit model in all history of omega, marked as Seamaster 600 or 30, who had black dial, those index markers and date window? And which was manually winded? Or any seamaster 600 or 30 model which was legit? If you could provide photo of how legit looks like.
 
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Yes this one is genuine. But again, almost every example of this dial you’ll find is repainted.

There’s also, a similarly rare version of the sm600 albeit in a slightly different style.

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Davidt Davidt
Yes this one is genuine. But again, almost every example of this dial you’ll find is repainted.

There’s also, a similarly rare version of the sm600 albeit in a slightly different style.

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ok so both of those never came out with date window?
 
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Davidt Davidt
Yes this one is genuine. But again, almost every example of this dial you’ll find is repainted.

There’s also, a similarly rare version of the sm600 albeit in a slightly different style.

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isn’t the SM 30 a PAF dial? Not a factory dial that I’m aware of
 
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165.002

May have been a 166.002 (date) version too.

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X350 XJR X350 XJR
165.002

May have been a 166.002 (date) version too.

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I don’t think this specific sm300 companion dial came with a date option.
There’s certainly other 166.002 ‘companion’ dials with date (ie Speedmaster companion), but no manually wound military style/companion with date that I’m aware of.
 
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isn’t the SM 30 a PAF dial? Not a factory dial that I’m aware of

I don’t know actually. Are the PAF dials not special factory order?
 
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Wizzar Wizzar
yes but my question is, is there ANY legit model in all history of omega, marked as Seamaster 600 or 30, who had black dial, those index markers and date window? And which was manually winded? Or any seamaster 600 or 30 model which was legit? If you could provide photo of how legit looks like.
OP, these have a lot of subtle differences, and you may not have enough experience to distinguish. Instead of asking experts to spend their time posting photos of every legit Omega that might be similar to the hypothetical watch you are considering, perhaps YOU can get good photos of the watch and post them. Otherwise it's just a waste of time.
 
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I don’t know actually. Are the PAF dials not special factory order?

not sure. Most military are done in house to each military’s own specs.
 
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I don’t think this specific sm300 companion dial came with a date option.
There’s certainly other 166.002 ‘companion’ dials with date (ie Speedmaster companion), but no manually wound military style/companion with date that I’m aware of.

Speedmaster companion is a no date design. Anything else is just a variation based off the design

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Speedmaster companion is a no date design. Anything else is just a variation based off the design

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Well that’s up for debate seeing as there’s no official model called a Speedmaster Companion. It’s just a name given by collectors.
Regardless, that design, whatever you want to call it, was available with date feature.
 
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Davidt Davidt
Well that’s up for debate seeing as there’s no official model called a Speedmaster Companion. It’s just a name given by collectors.
Regardless, that design, whatever you want to call it, was available with date feature.

The actual Speedmaster moon model has no date and this dial is the same. Hence the companion name. Same for the Seamaster 300 companion models (both manual and auto due to the dial design)

The others are just offshoots or cousins once removed

I named it along with the Seamaster 300 models 20 years ago

https://omegaforums.net/threads/unusual-dial-on-145-005-67.30973/
 
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