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路路Double D @ 惟FYes its the 42mm..
You mean the protective cover? If thats what you mean then no.
You mean the protective cover? If thats what you mean then no.
Very Reasonably Priced Aqua Terra W. Box Papers
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kendrick
路all we need now is some wrist shots馃憤 . Looks mint, I love the blue on white dials. Glad I could help out!
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路路Omega Qualified WatchmakerAl, I have the .pdf file on the updates / repairs to the 330x calibers.
I'm in the mattress industry and there are "life tests" for beds too. If that product can have sufficient R & D to know that their failure rates are extremely low, why couldn't a watch company? Granted, the cheap beds don't go through this kind of testing, but to continue the analogy Omega doesn't make cheap watches. I understand that there will be warranty issues once in a while, but from what I've seen on watch forums the caliber 2500 A, B, and C had the highest number of complaints by far of any $2000+ watch.
Not sure what your point is with the 3301 tech guide and documentation?
I guess you are assuming the failure rate for the 2500 A, B, and C is not "extremely low" so I guess I have to ask the following:
1 - What is your definition of "extremely low"?
2 - What is the failure rate of the 2500 A, B, and C?
3 - How does this compare to other watch movements?
Although the designs do have issues (most watch movement designs are a series of compromises after all), I would hesitate to draw any sound conclusions from anecdotal evidence posted on watch forums. If you know the actual failure rate, and know the modes of failure so we can narrow down what is co-axial related and what's not, then we can have a real discussion. Otherwise it's pretty much speculation.
Is it frustrating for the owners? Yes of course. Is it bad publicity for Omega? Yes in some respects, at least on watch forums, but I don't see their sales plummeting as a result. Does it mean that every watch that is not a 2500D will have problems? No certainly not. Does it mean that watches that are not a 2 level co-axial will not have problems? Of course not.
I guess what I'm saying is that we really don't know how much of a problem these are, and how these problems compare to other problems on other watches. Until you perform some sort of fact based analysis on the rate and modes of failure, then you are making a lot of assumptions about the 2500 early versions that may not be anywhere near true.
Cheers, Al
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路路Double D @ 惟FHere you are Kendrick...
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kendrick
路馃グlooks great! congrats and wear it in good health!
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路Not sure what your point is with the 3301 tech guide and documentation?
I was simply mentioning I have the file, that's all. It just happens to be another caliber that there were quite a few threads about it failing.
I guess you are assuming the failure rate for the 2500 A, B, and C is not "extremely low" so I guess I have to ask the following:
1 - What is your definition of "extremely low"?
2 - What is the failure rate of the 2500 A, B, and C?
3 - How does this compare to other watch movements?
I can't give you a watch industry definition of extremely low, but I can say that between the 2500 and 330x calibers there were just as many complaints as there were for Invicta defects when I counted the complaint threads back in 2010-ish. I didn't do a formal study, I didn't track or publish via a post what I did because I didn't feel the need to. As far as how it compares, I can only tell you what I know from hearing about problems from the forums and the 3 watchmakers I know.
Although the designs do have issues (most watch movement designs are a series of compromises after all), I would hesitate to draw any sound conclusions from anecdotal evidence posted on watch forums. If you know the actual failure rate, and know the modes of failure so we can narrow down what is co-axial related and what's not, then we can have a real discussion. Otherwise it's pretty much speculation.
Fair enough. I'd call it speculation drawn from observation and repetition, but that's my point of view.
Is it frustrating for the owners? Yes of course. Is it bad publicity for Omega? Yes in some respects, at least on watch forums, but I don't see their sales plummeting as a result. Does it mean that every watch that is not a 2500D will have problems? No certainly not. Does it mean that watches that are not a 2 level co-axial will not have problems? Of course not.
I guess what I'm saying is that we really don't know how much of a problem these are, and how these problems compare to other problems on other watches. Until you perform some sort of fact based analysis on the rate and modes of failure, then you are making a lot of assumptions about the 2500 early versions that may not be anywhere near true.
I'll again concede to speculation, but reiterate that when you hear it not only from forums but also from watchmakers who work in Omega ADs then there's gotta at least be something to it.
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Privateday7
路Oh....very very nice catch................blue over white works beautifully. Very charming.
Congrats.......
Congrats.......
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路路Omega Qualified WatchmakerI'll again concede to speculation, but reiterate that when you hear it not only from forums but also from watchmakers who work in Omega ADs then there's gotta at least be something to it.
There are no doubt problems with the calibres - never said anything different to that actually. I guess what I take issue with is the idea that there is an excessive rate of failures, without any actual proof of that. I don't think any information gleaned from watch forums, or from watchmakers, is really a proper reflection of the true problem and scope of the defects.
I would say on both forums and with watchmakers, there is an inherent sample bias at work. On forums, the spectrum of watch owners is pretty small compared to all the watches Omega sells in a year - the CEO said they sell about 2,000 watches per day, so what you see on forums is very small percentage of what's out there. In addition, people will complain much quicker than they will say everything is fine - this goes for watch defects, good/bad service at service centers, etc. The nature of the forum tends to amplify the bad IMO. Regarding the watchmakers, as much as I am one, I was also an engineer for 23 years and although I was not a quality engineer, I dealt with issues surrounding quality and statistics every day - the bearings we made spitting them out every few seconds (some lines made 20,000+ in an 8 hour shift) were much more precise than watch parts are actually. If I didn't have that background, I could easily argue that all the watch movements I get in with problems are crap with high defect rates, but that's not really the case as I tend to see watches when they are at their worst.
Just trying to add some perspective here - in an ideal world every watch company would make sure every watch is fully vetted before releasing them on the market, and every watch they made would be defect free. Unfortunately the entire industry is a long ways away from that - not just Omega. For example ask any Panerai owner with a new in-house movement - the same arguments could be made there that Richemont released these movements way too early. Far fewer watches made compared to Omega, and based on "forum stats" a much higher defect rate than with the early 2500's.
Anyway thinking of Panerai's just because I finished servicing one, and now I'm done for the night.
Cheers, Al
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路路Double D @ 惟FOh....very very nice catch................blue over white works beautifully. Very charming.
Congrats.......
Thanks v much
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路路Double D @ 惟FI have been watching this closely.... Seems expensive now!?
AUTHENTIC MENS BIG OMEGA SEAMASTER CO-AXIAL AUTOMATIC CHRONOMETER,c.2010, w/ BOX
AUTHENTIC MENS BIG OMEGA SEAMASTER CO-AXIAL AUTOMATIC CHRONOMETER,c.2010, w/ BOX
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路Yes, expensive ...and also I'm not sure thats its a 42mm model because the blue tick to the right of the date is smaller than my 42mm and watch looks more like a 39mm
It says 2010 model so maybe it has a different dial than earlier models?
It says 2010 model so maybe it has a different dial than earlier models?
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路路Double D @ 惟FYes, expensive ...and also I'm not sure thats its a 42mm model because the blue tick to the right of the date is smaller than my 42mm and watch looks more like a 39mm
It says 2010 model so maybe it has a different dial than earlier models?
i bid till $1500 then I closed. 3k is crazy.
i did message him asking if it was the 42 and he said yes 100%.
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路It seems a lot of people call the 39mm version as a 42mm version.
I'm 99% certain that its a 39mm version because the bracelet also looks like the 20mm version and not the 21mm version as used on the 42mm case. The 20mm bracelet uses end links 898 (marked centrally) and the 21mm bracelet uses 897 (marked at the side)
I'm 99% certain that its a 39mm version because the bracelet also looks like the 20mm version and not the 21mm version as used on the 42mm case. The 20mm bracelet uses end links 898 (marked centrally) and the 21mm bracelet uses 897 (marked at the side)
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路路Double D @ 惟FIt seems a lot of people call the 39mm version as a 42mm version.
I'm 99% certain that its a 39mm version because the bracelet also looks like the 20mm version and not the 21mm version as used on the 42mm case. The 20mm bracelet uses end links 898 (marked centrally) and the 21mm bracelet uses 897 (marked at the side)
Love the knowledge there 馃憤
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路路Double D @ 惟F
I think you can safely say that it's a 39mm
