US going for permanent " Summer Time " ... 2023

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I hate DST in general, I also hate waking up early and am a night owl which is part of it but it seems a needless complication to me and it also causes a lot of problems for the tech world, in the early 2000s there were fights over it in different open source projects that resulted in all sorts of messes. Just over it.

You could take up astronomy as a hobby and keep UTC year round 😀
 
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You could take up astronomy as a hobby and keep UTC year round 😀

Or

Become a fisherman and live by the tides.

(That will be next week for a few days)
 
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One day we’ll invade Florida and steal them back 😒

Is that all you wanted?! Wish you’d said so sooner, help yourself!
 
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One day we’ll invade Florida and steal them back 😒

Check their socks

 
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I said "dawn", the first appearance of light in the sky. I live in Seattle and civil twilight on June 21 begins at 4:30 AM PDT or 3:30 PST.

Actually, I think it's a part of daytime animals' biology to connect light in the sky with time to wake up and it still being night with time to keep sleeping. That's what humans did before artificial light. You can hear the birds singing at dawn, cats and dogs wake and look around. The light resets our body clock and one of the hints for adapting to jet lag is to get out in the daylight, especially in the morning. Sundown does not seem to be nearly as compelling.

The shorter days of higher latitudes in winter make standard time in winter very desirable, and also distributing the longer daylight hours of summer more usefully make DST in summer very desirable. Countries closer to the equator the difference in daylight hours between summer and winter is not as great, so it's less important to switch. And of course in parts up north of 60 degrees it's so dark all the time in the winter that there's no hope whether you go to standard time or not, and abundant sun in the summer, so there's hardly any point in switching.

ahh. Ok. It’s not often I run into people who know the difference between morning astronomical, nautical, and civil twilight vs dawn vs sunrise and use them accurately.

Proper blackout drapes for the bedroom are great. Your argument isn’t so much with the adoption of permanent standard or daylight time, as it is with modern society and it’s time-oriented scheduling. Wanting your ride time to be close or in sync with sunrise won’t work in Seattle with or without DST. It might be less wrong with it, but it’s rarely “right.”
 
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I wish canada would takes notes and federally scrap it all together. Always seemed pointless to me
 
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The European Union has nearly scrapped it several times. I think if either Europe or the US finally does it, the other will follow, and then the few remaining countries.
 
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The UK tried to scrap daylight saving around 10 years ago.

The move was rejected - probably because there were long-lasting memories of the dark mornings of the 3 year long summertime experiment at the end of the 60s - where, as schoolchildren, we were issued with reflectors to attach to our clothes in an attempt to negate road accidents.

The rights and wrongs of daylight saving aside, I can’t see what see why there is so much fuss about changing clocks twice a year ( next weekend for us in the UK)
It’s just another milestone in the calendar for me
 
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Check their socks

Mate Brisbane is right between Logan and Ipswich, we’ve got plenty of these types here.
 
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I wish canada would takes notes and federally scrap it all together. Always seemed pointless to me

It's not a federal decision. Sask already doesn't change, parts of BC don't change, parts of Ontario don't change...

Alberta had a referendum on this last fall, and voted to keep changing.

Ontario has passed legislation to change to permanent DST, but that is contingent on both Quebec and NY state switching also. I don't know of any push in Quebec to move to DST permanently. In NY, they are considering it, but their change is contingent on several surrounding states also changing.
 
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We tried this in 1974. The experiment was a failure, hated by almost everyone and repealed promptly when Congress was back in session. Too bad the Senate thinks we need to try it again.

DST in winter is a nonstarter. People need the sun to start to wake up and to set their biological clock each day. Some time with the sun up before the commute starts lets the ice, snow, and frost start to soften. Therefore standard time in winter is strongly preferred.

In summer, standard time here would mean dawn at 3:30 AM or so. That would be awful. Wake up for any reason at 4:00 and it's very difficult to get back to sleep with the sun up. Much better to have the long light evenings where it gets dark at 10 PM. So DST in summer is strongly preferred.

The change is only 5 minutes. If it's hard to adjust, go to bed early a couple of nights before and get outside for some light in the morning.

Getting up when it gets light in the morning is what daytime active animals do. Listen to the birds singing at dawn. The change from standard time to DST and back approximates that.

Agree! I live further north and in case my country decide to stay in permanent DST, we'd see daylight around 11AM in winter.
 
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People in the USA also hate the metric system.

I was going to "like" this to show I agree, then I thought I should clarify that it's not because I think it's a good thing.
 
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People in the USA also hate the metric system.
That is not true at all.

What is true, is that like DST, there is no national standard for weights and measures. The federal government is not going to pay for the conversion to metric, businesses don’t want to pay for it either.

So here we are. Go to a grocery store. You can find the same products sold in both imperial and metric sizes. Coca-Cola is a good example of this. You can buy 12oz cans or 2 liter bottles. A lot of the time, the manufacturer just puts the closest imperial equivalent on the package, but the product is really sold in metric measurements. Shhh! 😒

If you think this is nuts, go look at the DST map of the State of Indiana, where each county decides what time they want.

Life is complicated. You just get used to it.
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One day we’ll invade Florida and steal them back 😒
I would suggest that Australia simply add an A in front of DTS , etc. Look more prestigious as well 👍
 
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People in the USA also hate the metric system.
So much so that they have two different values for converting inches to centimetres. Depends on which industry they're in.

Standards, don't you love 'em? So many to choose from 😵‍💫
 
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So much so that they have two different values for converting inches to centimetres. Depends on which industry they're in.

Standards, don't you love 'em? So many to choose from 😵‍💫
What? Never heard of this. I just divide by 2.54.
 
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So for decades we had some packages considering So yes the Americans stole our timezones and we’re still paying for that stupidity even now.
Let’s not forget this one either:


The second one is the American Broadcasting Company, otherwise known as the Mickey Mouse Network.
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The second one is the American Broadcasting Company, otherwise known as the Mickey Mouse Network.
When it was created, it was the Blue Network of the National Broadcasting Company. The other network owned by NBC at the time was called Red.

From 1975 to 1979, NBC celebrated their history with this logo: