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US going for permanent " Summer Time " ... 2023
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Fritz
·I retired last year, so I don't care any more.
I get up when I want, I go to bed when I want, often several times a day.
As long as its warm its always time for a bike ride.
and its always the correct time for a beverage when I get back.
besides with multiple mechanical timepieces scattered about the house, most well over a hundred years old, the time changes every time I walk into another room.
I get up when I want, I go to bed when I want, often several times a day.
As long as its warm its always time for a bike ride.
and its always the correct time for a beverage when I get back.
besides with multiple mechanical timepieces scattered about the house, most well over a hundred years old, the time changes every time I walk into another room.
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Walrus
·I rely on it it keeps uniform times on the railroads that we all take everyday. Tbh I would miss the “fall back” adjustment when it kinda seems like you got an extra hour of sleep even though it’s all relative. I feel like I have a little power over time on that day. So I say keep it as it is So I get the one hour one I feel, however falsely, I have power over time.
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SkunkPrince
·After reading all of your opinions and examining my own biases, I have decided I completely don't care. 😀
Just need my eye mask for summer.
Just need my eye mask for summer.
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dsio
··Ash @ ΩFI hate DST in general, I also hate waking up early and am a night owl which is part of it but it seems a needless complication to me and it also causes a lot of problems for the tech world, in the early 2000s there were fights over it in different open source projects that resulted in all sorts of messes. Just over it.
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Archer
··Omega Qualified WatchmakerI hate DST in general, I also hate waking up early and am a night owl which is part of it but it seems a needless complication to me and it also causes a lot of problems for the tech world, in the early 2000s there were fights over it in different open source projects that resulted in all sorts of messes. Just over it.
Lifetime night owl here...DST is awesome for us. The tech world can figure just it out...that’s what we pay you all for! 😉
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Archer
··Omega Qualified Watchmaker
Do you have data for the issues that will come up from not switching?
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Vercingetorix
··Spam RiskDo you have data for the issues that will come up from not switching?
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dsio
··Ash @ ΩFLifetime night owl here...DST is awesome for us. The tech world can figure just it out...that’s what we pay you all for! 😉
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ChiefMark
·Mate you’d think it would be easy but it isn’t, several packages and pieces of software manage and interpret timezones differently. To make things worse Australia had EST (Eastern standard time) before the US decided to call their timezone that, and EDT was Eastern daylight time in Australia. So for decades we had some packages considering EST to be in America and some considering it to be in Australia because the American devs gave it to themselves while the rest of the world gave it to us. Then DST adjustment times also got confused and software did things like having an “Australian mode” to solve it until we had to abandon it to the yanks and adopt AEST & AEDT. So yes the Americans stole our timezones and we’re still paying for that stupidity even now.
On behalf of past American developers, although without their consent, I apologize for the horribly miopic and arrogant theft of EST and DST from the noble Aussies.
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··Omega Qualified WatchmakerMate you’d think it would be easy but it isn’t, several packages and pieces of software manage and interpret timezones differently. To make things worse Australia had EST (Eastern standard time) before the US decided to call their timezone that, and EDT was Eastern daylight time in Australia. So for decades we had some packages considering EST to be in America and some considering it to be in Australia because the American devs gave it to themselves while the rest of the world gave it to us. Then DST adjustment times also got confused and software did things like having an “Australian mode” to solve it until we had to abandon it to the yanks and adopt AEST & AEDT. So yes the Americans stole our timezones and we’re still paying for that stupidity even now.
Eh! Stop complaining and just get er done! 😀
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Archer
··Omega Qualified WatchmakerThat will be in five more years when I quote a study showing how dangerous not switching is.
It’s always assumed that these risks will go away, and not be replaced with other risks...not switching could be far worse.
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Vercingetorix
··Spam RiskIt’s always assumed that these risks will go away, and not be replaced with other risks...not switching could be far worse.
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Archer
··Omega Qualified WatchmakerI would really expect society to adopt a summer/winter schedule. School starts at 8 in the spring and 9 in the winter. The end result would be the same.
Yeah, it’s only an hour difference, what harm is that, eh?
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kkt
·So... what? On the shortest day of the year in a hypothetical permanent DST the sun would rise around 0900 and set around 1800. It's Winter. Days are short. I think we're all aware of that. The further north (or south in the other hemisphere) you choose to live, the greater the disparity between day length in the seasons, and the colder it gets in the Winter. It seems arbitrary to me to get hung up on when the sun rises, so wanting to force a clock change for everyone. Somewhere out there there are as many people more concerned with the sunset. When you grab a morning hour of daylight you lose an afternoon hour of daylight. Nothing about how much sun is available to you in the winter is helped by the shift.
And where on earth does kkt live, because from Winnipeg to Miami I couldn't find a latitude where the sun would rise at 3:30 - or anywhere near that - on Standard or Daylight time at any point in the year. Now, in Alaska or Nunavut it's easy to find such places, but it's also where the sun stays up all day for a bit and never rises for a bit. The northernmost point in the contiguous United States would have a standard time sunrise of 4:13 AM on the earliest sunrise of the year, or 5:13 AM in a hypothetical permanent DST.
I said "dawn", the first appearance of light in the sky. I live in Seattle and civil twilight on June 21 begins at 4:30 AM PDT or 3:30 PST.
Actually, I think it's a part of daytime animals' biology to connect light in the sky with time to wake up and it still being night with time to keep sleeping. That's what humans did before artificial light. You can hear the birds singing at dawn, cats and dogs wake and look around. The light resets our body clock and one of the hints for adapting to jet lag is to get out in the daylight, especially in the morning. Sundown does not seem to be nearly as compelling.
The shorter days of higher latitudes in winter make standard time in winter very desirable, and also distributing the longer daylight hours of summer more usefully make DST in summer very desirable. Countries closer to the equator the difference in daylight hours between summer and winter is not as great, so it's less important to switch. And of course in parts up north of 60 degrees it's so dark all the time in the winter that there's no hope whether you go to standard time or not, and abundant sun in the summer, so there's hardly any point in switching.
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