Upgrading 1861 to 3861

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I just picked up a new 3861 Hesalite on the fabric strap. I posted a couple of months ago about my visit to the Omega boutique to see it for the first time and being a little non-plussed with the exception of the new bracelet, which I bought and they put on my 1861. The more I read about the updates, read reviews, and looked at pics the more I was intrigued. The anti-magnetic property and hacking movement in particular were of interest, as well as just a more accurate watch (my 1861 was never particular accurate).

I emailed a watch dealer who's my go-to and always pays me very fair money for watches I'd like to sell, as I absolutely hate having to sell them myself. Just too many scams and nonsense to chase an extra 10-15% IMO. He asked me what I wanted for the 1861 and I gave him a reasonable number that was fine with him. I kept the 3861 bracelet to use on the new watch.

I briefly entertained the sapphire sandwich, but once I saw them both I knew it had to be another Hesalite. I also really liked the technical looking fabric strap on the 3861 Hesalite. So now I've got a 3861 with both a bracelet and a cool new strap, for a relatively small incremental cost.

I can't comment in timekeeping yet, but the very subtle difference in details are more noticeable the longer I wear and look at it. It feels a bit easier to wind and maybe even wears a bit smaller, probably an illusion due to the shorter pushers. The finishing on the dial is finer to my eye as well.

I still agree that if you've got an 1861 that with the exception of the bracelet it might not be worth the cost to buy a 3861, but this made sense for me and I'm pretty happy with it.

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Congratulations! Looks great on your wrist. Re accuracy, mine is spot on. In fact probably the most accurate watch I’ve owned. I also have the OEM bracelet and fabric strap but lately have been using the US1450. Overall I’m really glad I made the upgrade…accuracy, stepped dial, DON make it worth the investment imo.
 
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I don’t think there’s a right answer to this.

I wouldn’t ever “upgrade” for better accuracy - if a second or two a day makes a difference, you need an Apple Watch or some kind of radio controlled thing.

For me, my watches are linked to memories or the places I’ve worn them and the things I’ve done with them on. That means more to me than a different clasp or an applied logo.
I have quite a few radio controlled watches. If they don't sync with the Atomic Clock daily they are just mediocre quartz watches as far as accuracy goes. My Bulova Lunar Pilot is a HAQ watch and it has lost a grand total of two seconds in over a year. My better mechanical watches run about 5 seconds a day fast, the 3861 is not quite as fast.
 
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I will never upgrade my 1861.... I will just add a 3861 eventually. 😁
 
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Judging by the amount of moans about the chrono problem, maybe the thread should read upgrading your 3861 to the 1861.
 
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Judging by the amount of moans about the chrono problem, maybe the thread should read upgrading your 3861 to the 1861.

We humans always see the black dot and not the 99% usable white paper ;0)
With my 2014 DSOTM everyone said ceramic would break (it is still fine). I think the 9300 movement got some bad press (both mine still run fine). With all the reports here on the 3861 I actually sent my May purchased 3861 back for a quality check in December (it was free / it was fine).... I am not saying I am never in the dot with new products (not just Omega) but 99% it has been ok and my 3861 runs well.... and if not I am happy they will fix it fee.
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We humans always see the black dot and not the 99% usable white paper ;0)
With my 2014 DSOTM everyone said ceramic would break (it is still fine). I think the 9300 movement got some bad press (both mine still run fine). With all the reports here on the 3861 I actually sent my May purchased 3861 back for a quality check in December (it was free / it was fine).... I am not saying I am never in the dot with new products (not just Omega) but 99% it has been ok and my 3861 runs well.... and if not I am happy they will fix it fee.
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Fine but it’s a pita to be without your new toy so the best outcome is a product that works from day one. I agree it is likely a very small percentage that are experiencing issues but it’s the angry minority that are louder than the silent satisfied majority usually!
 
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I have not owned a hesilate crystal Speedy, but I would be nervous as hell. Have in vintage before. But that first big scratch ... ugh
 
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I was faced with this conundrum. Bought one of the last 1861s from my AD due to its closer tie with the space exploration phase from 69 onwards (in my mind). Objectively the 3861 is superior in performance (not sure about reliability). For me it was about being closer to the original...but I did buy the 3861 bracelet
 
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I was faced with this conundrum. Bought one of the last 1861s from my AD due to its closer tie with the space exploration phase from 69 onwards (in my mind). Objectively the 3861 is superior in performance (not sure about reliability). For me it was about being closer to the original...but I did buy the 3861 bracelet

Same reasoning here. And in fact I do like the 1861 bracelet way better. To me the new bracelet is a massive downgrade. It’s similar to the one I have on my Speedy reduced - only that old bracelet feels better made and more study than the new ones even after 30 years of wear.
 
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I have not owned a hesilate crystal Speedy, but I would be nervous as hell. Have in vintage before. But that first big scratch ... ugh

Meh. Been wearing Hesalite pretty much daily for over thirty years. Good thing is you can polish it yourself and with regular wear under a sleeve they polish themselves a bit. Real bad ones have happened to me maybe twice and you always get a new crystal for free with every service.
Sapphire sets you back quite a bit if you scratch those up.
 
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I own two cal. 1861 Speedmasters and one cal. 321 reference as well, and I'm enamoured with the idea of having a thoroughly modern manual wind movement with hacking capability in a traditional Speedmaster case. So I went to our local Boutique this week, fully intending to walk out the door with either the Hesalite 3861 Speedmaster, or the sapphire sandwich variant. I spent nearly an hour carefully comparing these two options...it was very, very difficult to choose.

This is what I ended up walking out the door with:

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Mine wasn't an upgrade, but I had just sold a couple of Seamasters and my 36MM Datejust. I had just rang the Rolex Boutique about the Rolex Sub-Date that I have had my name down for since March 2019, and was told that they had no idea when it was coming, how they stay in business is beyond my understanding. I contacted the Omega Boutique expecting to be told that they had no Speedy Pros in stock as per the last time I was there. I was pleasantly surprised when they told me that it was available. I paid my money and they kindly adjusted the bracelet for me after asking my wrist size and couriered the watch to me as I was not mobile at the time.

Next working day the watch arrived in the dealers coffin and I was told that it hadn't even hit the showroom floor. Best purchase of last year.
 
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Judging by the amount of moans about the chrono problem, maybe the thread should read upgrading your 3861 to the 1861.

I'm an 1861, more often an 1863 guy. I actually realized that I had collected too many of these Speedmasters and am putting my Sapphire Sandwich up for sale. The 3861 issues kept me from "upgrading" or adding one of these to my collection for now.

Yes, I agree that most people with ceramic watches have had no issues. I had a titanium ceramic Speedmaster and felt that the watch was incredible. The thought of having issues with ceramic prevented me from enjoying the watch like I should have. Potential issues with a new 3861 would probably prevent me from properly enjoying that watch as well.
 
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I wouldn't want to pay much money for a step sideways myself. If I upgrade and it costs me significant money I want it to be a big upgrade.