Universal Geneve Watches On Ebay

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I don't see why somebody would try to fake a 18K case. But the number is clearly wrong and the engravings are not fully convincing.

Anyway: somebody was lucky..... https://www.ebay.com/itm/188216070434 Ref 22430 for USD 4k. With issues of course but still a bargain



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I don't see why somebody would try to fake a 18K case. But the number is clearly wrong and the engravings are not fully convincing.

Anyway: somebody was lucky..... https://www.ebay.com/itm/188216070434 Ref 22430 for USD 4k. With issues of course but still a bargain



Caseback inscription may refer to:

very cool, looks like a redial
 
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Very strange. Assuming it's actually gold, hard to imagine why someone would fake a UG case in real gold? The only thing I can think of is the case reference is incorrectly stamped? It seems an odd coincidence that the 22250 is actually a SS spider lugs, and this is maybe the same case shape in gold, so maybe someone got confused?
Have we seen any other examples of gold spider lugs Tri Compax before, if so, what ref are they?
(Side note, what day of the week is MAP supposed to be? what language?)

Did an R just lose a leg? I don't think there is a MAP-starting day of the week in any modern language in which november would be NOV.
A lot is wrong with that watch...
 
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Did an R just lose a leg? I don't think there is a MAP-starting day of the week in any modern language in which november would be NOV.
A lot is wrong with that watch...
I was wondering the same thing, because I hit a complete dead end with MAP
 
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very cool, looks like a redial
Of course
 
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Very strange. Assuming it's actually gold, hard to imagine why someone would fake a UG case in real gold? The only thing I can think of is the case reference is incorrectly stamped? It seems an odd coincidence that the 22250 is actually a SS spider lugs, and this is maybe the same case shape in gold, so maybe someone got confused?
Have we seen any other examples of gold spider lugs Tri Compax before, if so, what ref are they?
(Side note, what day of the week is MAP supposed to be? what language?)
LOL, I forgot I have a gold spider lugs Tri (well really my partner grabbed it so I don't always remember it). But it's 14K, so a ref 52216, mid sized running a cal 481. I can't recall seeing an 18K version before, or one running a cal 287

 
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It’s hard to trust people these days… Let’s take a look at this Polerouter Genève that was sold on C24 last December, listed at around 900€:


The listing at the time stated:

Universal Genève Polerouter watch in perfect working order.
Gold-plated case in very good condition. Superb dial. Small original crown, consistent with reference 569101/06.
(...)
The plexiglass has a crack. I have not replaced it as it is probably original. The buyer is free to replace it.
Please note there are scratches on the back of the watch.
A distinctive feature of the watch that makes it unique. There is an error in the engraving of the reference number. The engraved reference number is 669101/06 instead of 569101/06. This is an error because the serial number and specifications correspond to the model. A unique feature for collectors.

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Fast‑forward to a listing that went online today (https://www.vinted.pt/items/8535815...boite-universal-geneve-bracelet-et-boucle-nos), apparently already sold, this time listed for 1,490€.



It’s obviously the same watch, now on a different strap with a generic UG box added. Nothing inherently terrible about that in itself, but the description this time read:
Universal Genève polerouter Gerald Genta Full set, Universal Genève box, bracelet and buckle NOS
An exceptional collector's item for Universal Genève enthusiasts. I am offering this superb Polerouter Automatic (designed by Gérald Genta) in remarkable condition, accompanied by a set of original accessories that are virtually impossible to find today. Rare technical feature: This watch bears the reference number 669101/06. The prefix "6" is particularly sought after by collectors as it designates a high-quality reinforced gold-filled finish, much rarer and more durable than standard finishes. This model was produced for only six months in 1964 (Universal Genève production records).
The ensemble includes (Full Set):
(...)

I really hope the use of “NOS” was meant for the bracelet only, but calling this a “full set” feels, at the very least, quite far‑fetched.

From a more “academic” standpoint, I think the more interesting discussion for us here is the question of this reference number, and which of the two sellers, with two very different stories/theories, is actually closer to reality.

I’ve yet to get my hands on a copy of The Polerouter Book (@Mazoue , you know I won't be escaping for long), but in the meantime there’s always something to learn from the amazing experts here.

Thanks for reading!

 
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