Universal Geneve Watches On Ebay

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Does the inner numbering on the main dial actually count 1, 2, 3...18, 19, 24?
 
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EDIT: seller not convinced. Got a counteroffer of USD 28k (without any other comment)
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Old Chinese proverb say:
If you are buying, act as if you are selling, and if you are selling, act as if you are buying.

and remember ...
cheap things are not good; good things are not cheap ...
 
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Hi all.

I’m still new around here, and as you may have seen from my previous posts, I tend to get drawn to caseback engravings - they’re often the best shortcut we have into the real‑world history behind these pieces.
Along those lines, I’ve was looking at a watch currently offered on Chrono24:
https://www.chrono24.com/universalg...ase-rosegold-18k750-ref-11312--id43457064.htm

The dial font is different from what Sala shows for this reference and the moon disc also looks like a later/service replacement to me, not sure if anyone would add much on these matters..
Thanks to the engraving, it was easy to find that the same watch went through auction in October last year at Goudwisselkantoor, with a hammer of 1,800.

Once you add the usual buyer’s premium and taxes there, we're probably looking at a real all‑in cost somewhere in the low‑ to mid‑2k range. They’ve kept the service date from the auction description, added a fresh bracelet, and then layered on what I’d call the “2026 UG tax” we’re seeing on a lot of listings at the moment.
Which brings me to the engraving itself: who was Frédéric Anspach in mid‑20th‑century Brussels? It seems very likely this belonged to the Belgian tenor of that name (1908–1977). I’m no opera specialist, but his main appearances seem to cluster around the 1943–46 seasons, which would have been the years when he was professionally active and visible enough to afford or be gifted a nice rose‑gold triple calendar. The watch itself, judging by its serial, looks from 1949, so the timeline actually lines up quite nicely for it to have been bought at the height or just after the peak of his career.

Curious what others here think. I don’t really consider myself a full‑blown “provenance watch” guy, but I do enjoy falling down these rabbit holes when an engraving gives you just enough to start pulling on the thread.
 
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Unattractive dial, over polished Jeanerette case … pass. If these two issues were not there, the engraving would be cool.
 
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Old Chinese proverb say:
If you are buying, act as if you are selling, and if you are selling, act as if you are buying.
Sounds interesting but I don't get it, can you explain it to me?
 
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Hi all.

I’m still new around here, and as you may have seen from my previous posts, I tend to get drawn to caseback engravings - they’re often the best shortcut we have into the real‑world history behind these pieces.
Along those lines, I’ve was looking at a watch currently offered on Chrono24:
https://www.chrono24.com/universalg...ase-rosegold-18k750-ref-11312--id43457064.htm

The dial font is different from what Sala shows for this reference and the moon disc also looks like a later/service replacement to me, not sure if anyone would add much on these matters..
Thanks to the engraving, it was easy to find that the same watch went through auction in October last year at Goudwisselkantoor, with a hammer of 1,800.

Once you add the usual buyer’s premium and taxes there, we're probably looking at a real all‑in cost somewhere in the low‑ to mid‑2k range. They’ve kept the service date from the auction description, added a fresh bracelet, and then layered on what I’d call the “2026 UG tax” we’re seeing on a lot of listings at the moment.
Which brings me to the engraving itself: who was Frédéric Anspach in mid‑20th‑century Brussels? It seems very likely this belonged to the Belgian tenor of that name (1908–1977). I’m no opera specialist, but his main appearances seem to cluster around the 1943–46 seasons, which would have been the years when he was professionally active and visible enough to afford or be gifted a nice rose‑gold triple calendar. The watch itself, judging by its serial, looks from 1949, so the timeline actually lines up quite nicely for it to have been bought at the height or just after the peak of his career.

Curious what others here think. I don’t really consider myself a full‑blown “provenance watch” guy, but I do enjoy falling down these rabbit holes when an engraving gives you just enough to start pulling on the thread.
In general (except later when references became fixed) the case reference does not indicate a particular dial, just the case. So it does not matter if Sala shows a different dial for this reference.
As per the case serial, hard to say which moonphase dial is correct, this is in the transition period.
The running seconds hand is wrong, crown replaced, case very polished, dial not attractive, asking price is extremely high.
 
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https://www.lorologiese.com/en/home...-original-1945-steel-chronograph-cal-285.html

What's the consensus on this Medico?



Redial? Crown might be replaced....

Looks almost too good for a nearly 80 years old watch.

Sellers description "A scarce Universal Geneve Medico-Compax all steel Ref. 224108 doctor`s chronograph, a 1945 medical chrono fitted with its original silvered dial in its original and superior untouched condition".

The closest I can find is a yellow gold version in the Sala book on page 220

One of the better redials. However, has its issues so in the mediocre band of "redials". The 'pulsations' marker digits are too small and wrong color. That would bother me. Had it been larger and red, it would have been a "Good Redial".
In general (except later when references became fixed) the case reference does not indicate a particular dial, just the case. So it does not matter if Sala shows a different dial for this reference.
As per the case serial, hard to say which moonphase dial is correct, this is in the transition period.
The running seconds hand is wrong, crown replaced, case very polished, dial not attractive, asking price is extremely high.
The dial had a nice patina (top half). I could have lived with it if it had been left as it was. However, it looks like there has been an attempt at cleaning it up which did not go well. Would have been best to have left it alone. The rest has been mentioned. Bottom line is that it is not a 5K watch, in that condition.
 
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Came across this UG 22705/1 listed. Have been looking for a nice tri-compax (222100….), and this visually comes close for me. Would like thoughts on the condition from this group of experts. Thanks.

https://www.carsandwatches.com/watches/universal-geneve-compas-valjoux-72-soleil-dial-nina-case


Not an expert, but I'll note its a Valjoux 72 base caliber and this from the time period when UG shifted from in-house calibers to ebauches. Nothing wrong with that with but value it accordingly. From a purely visual perspective, it's pretty!
 
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Posting the link to the page with photos was easier….
It would be helpful to the forum if you posted the most relevant pictures here. The link may eventually disappear in a week/month/year's time