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The "seller" put this watch for sale knowing its name and caliber, at 250$
Weeeeell, maybe this is the reason why I never watch ebay in the morning 😁
(just joking, but imho it's a raw scam)
 
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How do you use the term service dial? This just looks like a redial to me.
I also think there's a possibility this is a service dial just bc I've seen the same type of dial/logo used before multiple times. Maybe if UG replaced damaged dials when sending them in for repair decades ago?? Just a theory...
 
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I also think there's a possibility this is a service dial just bc I've seen the same type of dial/logo used before multiple times. Maybe if UG replaced damaged dials when sending them in for repair decades ago?? Just a theory...

this just looks like a reprinted nipple/dot dial. I’ve never seen a printed U inside a shield that I considered either original or factory supplied.
 
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Well then even the dial may be bogus. To me it looks like a legit dial but from a later age. But I am by no means a (dial) expert.

Still intruiging that they went for pin pushers. The movement did not come out of a 22492/224102 I think given the fact that I've never seen one without a numbered movement.
 
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Ive just seen that type of dial often enough that I'm not sure if the redialers are using the same print block, or its all coming from one redialer, or if maybe Universal got cheap and farmed them out as replacements at some point.
Here are a few more. You may be entirely right too - Just weird that a redialer would keep making these over and over. Some examples from a quick look on c24:
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Ive just seen that type of dial often enough that I'm not sure if the redialers are using the same print block, or its all coming from one redialer, or if maybe Universal got cheap and farmed them out as replacements at some point.
Here are a few more. You may be entirely right too - Just weird that a redialer would keep making these over and over. Some examples from a quick look on c24:
Screenshot_20210810-205602_Chrome.jpg Screenshot_20210810-205719_Chrome.jpg

IMO these are all just individual bad redials, I don't see much commonality between them. The first chrono has no running seconds numbers, the second one does, the first chrono has radial hours, the second has upright, etc, etc, etc

in order to consider a service dial I would want to see a lot of consistency across multiple examples. Anyhow, again, as far as I know, never seen an authentic UG dial with a printed U inside a shield logo.
 
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in the last pic the U logo is not even centered...
 
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Railrouter on ebay.
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/284364611177?hash=item4235739e69:g:RzIAAOSwxalg2Whj
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IMO these are all just individual bad redials, I don't see much commonality between them. The first chrono has no running seconds numbers, the second one does, the first chrono has radial hours, the second has upright, etc, etc, etc

in order to consider a service dial I would want to see a lot of consistency across multiple examples. Anyhow, again, as far as I know, never seen an authentic UG dial with a printed U inside a shield logo.
Again you could be and are probably right. But I wont close the book on it. I just have to consider the market at the time didnt see watches the way we do. It may have been perfectly acceptable for Universal to replace a trashed dial with something legible. We will never know if they got a watch in for service and the customer wanted a more readable dial- did they just send it off to the guy who made the U inside the shield logo regardless of the dial's style/furniture etc?
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Also just to add, in talking to Sala he gave a tidbit about Universal that I always consider- to look at them through the lens of a business trying to cut costs /survive. If you do that some of the crazy shit you see from them starts to make more sense. "This customer wants a dial replacement? Instead of giving him a brand new dial send the shit off to guillermo who does the shield/ logos!"
 
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Well: I still think that large parts of that dial look ok(ish) so I would still vote later service dial. But again: not an expert.
 
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It seems highly improbable, but there’s no way to prove it either way. I guess in the above scenario, with Guillermo, I would still consider it a redial, regardless of who placed the order.

To me, a service dial is created to the same caliber as original dial, by a similar or same dial manufacturer. To be clear, that’s just how I think of them personally, I’m not saying that is the “correct” definition.

Anyhow to research this theory I would expect the U logo and universal Geneve text to be consistent, and they don’t appear to be, even in the few above examples. If the same person is producing these dials, at factory request, and adding a logo that never appeared on a stock dial, and then not using the same exact logo or lettering for each one, it seems quite flimsy?
 
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Well: I still think that large parts of that dial look ok(ish) so I would still vote later service dial. But again: not an expert.

can you expand on how you use the term later service dial? What is the specific scenario?
 
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What is the specific scenario?
I assumed @Mark020 meant Guillermo 😉

I'll show the dials to Sala and ask him about the possibility. Lets see what he comes back with. He may call me a fukkin idiot tho but lets see anyway. More than likely @bgrisso is right and the simplest answer- "redial"- is the best.
 
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Also just to add, in talking to Sala he gave a tidbit about Universal that I always consider- to look at them through the lens of a business trying to cut costs /survive. If you do that some of the crazy shit you see from them starts to make more sense. "This customer wants a dial replacement? Instead of giving him a brand new dial send the shit off to guillermo who does the shield/ logos!"

very true. No one said we better do X because 50+ years from now some collectors will want it a certain way
 
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can you expand on how you use the term later service dial? What is the specific scenario?
This was regarding the dodgy pin pusher I posted.

I still think that (at least some) of the dials wit the U logo were produced on behalf of UG and used to replace damaged dials. Like the T<25 service dials Rolex used
 
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