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Universal Geneve Watches On Ebay
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·If you carefully read my post, I didn't deny the ID on the back of a redial. Many collectors know that. However, usually it is not possible to inspect the back of a dial before purchasing a watch. Even today, redialers scratch a number on the back of the dial.
Concerning the time period, you said:
To me it sounds like a dating which is simply impossible. You will find or miss "Swiss" or "Swiss made" on redials of any time period.
And there are also original dials without that scripting.
To sum it up: a missing "Swiss (made)" is a first sign of a redial, but not a proof and it was left out during all decades.
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mikeo1
·In terms of parts prices in my experience for an OS Tri a complete and running mvmt could be around 750-1k, a case (including pushers, correctors, crown) could be around 1k, a complete hand set perhaps 500, and the day, month, and moon discs at least 500, that’s assuming all parts are completely correct and in good condition. So that’s around 3k, again that’s just rough ballpark. I don’t think you could get an otherwise completely correct Tri in good condition (aside from redial) for anywhere near 1200, unless you get lucky.
So if we throw in $100 for a dial and a couple of hundred/$200 for putting it all together, has the value of a redialed tri been established at roughly $3300?
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·Come on--I noted that during those years REDIALERS often scribed a number on the back of a dial when they refinished it. If a 1930's rolex bubbleback received a redial in 1972 and had a scribe put on the back of the dial would that date the watch to 1972 in your mind???
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Oku
·If a 1930's rolex bubbleback received a redial in 1972 and had a scribe put on the back of the dial would that date the watch to 1972 in your mind???
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··Color Commentator for the Hyperbole.So if we throw in $100 for a dial and a couple of hundred/$200 for putting it all together, has the value of a redialed tri been established at roughly $3300?
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·I’d say that’s not a bad assessment. BTW, when we speak of redial, that does not include a UG produced dial, service or otherwise.
I'd say the jury is out on how to consider a factory replaced/serviced dial. I think most (but not all) would consider a somewhat lower (but certainly not a "parts") value - this situation is quite frequent with Rolex who is famous for replacing dials when watches came into them for service (even on Red subs and sea dwellers) Values for factory/service dials are certainly less than good quality originals but usually better than bad originals or commercial redials.
The gist of my earlier post was that unfortunately there are times when an original dial is just too far gone to add any value to the watch and may even detract from it--but you see the notation "original dial" as if that has some implied upward valuation even though the dial is "gone". To imply that a terrible original dial has some higher value than a redial or that a redial should delegate a watch to the parts bin is just wrong to me. While I'm sure some will disagree, I see a redial as a part of the watch's history; if it is well done and the watch is priced accordingly it's not a heart attack- In most cases (there are some exceptions--I'd certainly wear a 1930 beater Panerai) I don't care to wear beat to shit watches and fawn over their originality but I certainly don't have any issues with those of us that find some intrinsic value in their "barn finds".
Consider the vintage car collectors; some value the "barn finds"; some value restorations... a replaced motor on a completely restored 63 vette may lower it's value but doesn't send it to the scrap/parts yard-
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·What value would you add to a serviced vs non serviced Tri Compax?
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CafeRacer
·What looks to be a fake UG Medico Compax on ebay...
Case is probably from a generic chrono, e.g. "Chronograph Suisse" or something similar...
They did a decent job on the engravings...
https://www.ebay.com/itm/274476921299
Case is probably from a generic chrono, e.g. "Chronograph Suisse" or something similar...
They did a decent job on the engravings...
https://www.ebay.com/itm/274476921299
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Mr.Bliss
·Hi guys, i was just wondering where would you rank UG, above or bellow Omega?
Seems there are many Omegas models that are cheaper in comparison to what i see UG selling for.
Yoni
Seems there are many Omegas models that are cheaper in comparison to what i see UG selling for.
Yoni
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Mr.Bliss
·Oh, and If you had 1200$ to spend, what would you rather look out for?
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Kay995
·Hi guys, i was just wondering where would you rank UG, above or bellow Omega?
Seems there are many Omegas models that are cheaper in comparison to what i see UG selling for.
Yoni
In My opinion, I believe them to be on the same level regarding vintage watches. If I remember correctly omega used UG chronograph movement’s for a while. Although I prefer UG over Omega there both amazing watch company’s.
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In My opinion, I believe them to be on the same level regarding vintage watches. If I remember correctly omega used UG chronograph movement’s for a while. Although I prefer UG over Omega there both amazing watch company’s.
Thanx, been looking for a nice UG but either not in my budget or not very nice.
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·Any chance to find a nice UG for 1200+-? $ if so what model should I be looking for? By the way I'm open for any suggestions on any brand.
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Carlton-Browne
·.
If I remember correctly omega used UG chronograph movement’s for a while.
That’s interesting; do you have a source for that?
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Kay995
·That’s interesting; do you have a source for that?
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Lurk41
·Pretty sure they never worked with UG. Jaeger and Zenith did, but Omega used homemade (non-chronograph) and Lemania (chronograph)
In the 60's UG switched to Valjoux, then in the 80's/90's UG used Lemania too. Maybe that is where the confusion comes from...
In the 60's UG switched to Valjoux, then in the 80's/90's UG used Lemania too. Maybe that is where the confusion comes from...
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