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Trying to return a vintage Rolex 6694

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Yes, exactly. I actually noticed it because I was planning to sell the bracelet separately for parts. I can't sell a bracelet with mismatching end links.
what you intend to do with the watch or its parts or what your future plans for the watch or parts were are nothing to do with the original seller or your legal position.

The only matter here is how the watch was described to you before purchase (and if your viewing of the watch in person was part of the agreed sale process).

and I'll repeat myself once again.
There is no defect with the watch and the seller has offered to remedy the perceived issue, meaning that there is no loss to you in either enjoyment of the watch or financial penalty.

Have them replace the end link, sell the bracelet and/or watch and move on from what is evidently a purchase that has caused you some irritation.
 
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Dude, stop digging. You really have no idea what you're talking about.
you really make me laugh - you are trying to invent a case based on a very poor interpretation of a consumer law that you evidently don't understand.

you asked for opinions and if they dont agree with you, you object.

Hey, do what you want but I think you're pissing in the wind.
 
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Whatever you say, Mr Troll.
I was trying to help you , you prat.

Do what you want to do - but please do tell us the outcome.
 
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post the name of the watch shop for other potential buyers to rethink and avoid visiting the watch shop.
 
Dan S
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The amount I'm claiming is actually the market value, not the trade-in value. In order to undo the contract he has to give me enough money to buy an equivalent Speedmaster, assuming he's sold it. If he hasn't sold it he has to return my Speedmaster.
If the Speedmaster has been sold, the plot has thickened. :🍿:

Winding things back to original, or replacing the end-link, both seemed like reasonable outcomes to me (as an outsider), but if the Speedmaster has been sold, it is a lot more complicated because unwinding the deal is non-trivial because I expect there to be a significant difference between trade-in and market value.
 
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If the Speedmaster has been sold, the plot has thickened. :🍿:

Winding things back to original, or replacing the end-link, both seemed like reasonable outcomes to me (as an outsider), but if the Speedmaster has been sold, it is a lot more complicated because unwinding the deal is non-trivial because I expect there to be a significant difference between trade-in and market value.
Consumer law here states that if it's been less than 30 days. In this case 19. I have the right to unwind the whole deal. He cannot offer me a repair. I get to dictate what happens.
 
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I think you re missing the point I am making.
There may be something 'wrong' as far as we as collectors are concerned but as I mentioned earlier, the CRA right to reject is based on
"unsatisfactory quality, unfit for purpose or not as described"
The 'complaint' doesn't qualify under the right to reject unless it was described incorrectly.


we don't know how the watch was described at the point of sale or the sale price.

I'm not sure that a seller would be obliged to detail such a small matter if the replacement end link was a reasonable replacement to 'the man in the street'.

If the watch had a completely different Rolex bracelet on it - and was priced accordingly - you wouldn't expect the seller to be liable to a return because they didn't mention it didn't have the original Rolex bracelet because it in fact had a perfectly usable, functioning Rolex bracelet.
In a former life i used to own an aquatic retailer i sold a very expensive red acropora we are talking 5k plus the customer bought in store and paid over counter. Then tried to return it as it was not as red in his aquarium than ours. We explained it was because his lighting was not as good as ours. Did not hear a thing for ages until one day credit card charge back and of course they sided with the consumer.

Neither myself nor you were there when deal was made so we cannot confirm what was pointed out or was was not as described, but i am certain , just like in our case when the magistrate hears how much ( too us collectors it may well seem cheap) was spent they will decide that the item should be perfect and side with consumer
 
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post the name of the watch shop for other potential buyers to rethink and avoid visiting the watch shop.
This is exactly why no one here should consider an offer on a watch for sale from the OP. I see no wrong doing on the part of the dealer. It’s not a pawn shop where there is a mandatory waiting period for police checks.
 
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In a former life i used to own an aquatic retailer i sold a very expensive red acropora we are talking 5k plus the customer bought in store and paid over counter. Then tried to return it as it was not as red in his aquarium than ours. We explained it was because his lighting was not as good as ours. Did not hear a thing for ages until one day credit card charge back and of course they sided with the consumer.

Neither myself nor you were there when deal was made so we cannot confirm what was pointed out or was was not as described, but i am certain , just like in our case when the magistrate hears how much ( too us collectors it may well seem cheap) was spent they will decide that the item should be perfect and side with consumer
I understand this -and it is more to do with it being too much hassle for credit card companies to bother looking into the case, so they just initiate a clawback.

I'm not sure that any magistrate would side with your customer unless your lighting was misleading the customer into thinking the purchase was brighter than it really was.
 
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Consumer law here states that if it's been less than 30 days. In this case 19. I have the right to unwind the whole deal. He cannot offer me a repair. I get to dictate what happens.
There is not a blanket time-related right to unwind a deal -it is only if you have grounds for a refund.

"Under the UK Consumer Rights Act 2015, you cannot unwind a used watch purchase solely due to buyer's remorse. The CRA only provides a statutory right to a refund, repair, or replacement if the item is faulty, not as described, or not fit for purpose".

Under this law, you could only ask for the deal to be 'unwound' if it was not as described.
You have yet to tell us how the watch was described.
This is doubly important as you viewed the watch in person when purchasing.
 
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Consumer law here states that if it's been less than 30 days. In this case 19. I have the right to unwind the whole deal. He cannot offer me a repair. I get to dictate what happens.
Understood, I really have no dog in the fight. I'm just wondering what "unwinding" looks like if the Speedmaster has been sold. That could be contentious. Keep us updated.
 
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Jackson's Jewellers in Morpeth.

Peemacgee Peemacgee
I understand this -and it is more to do with it being too much hassle for credit card companies to bother looking into the case, so they just initiate a clawback.

I'm not sure that any magistrate would side with your customer unless your lighting was misleading the customer into thinking the purchase was brighter than it really was.
Well i can assure you he did and we had to refund the full price of the coral
 
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There is not a blanket time-related right to unwind a deal -it is only if you have grounds for a refund.

"Under the UK Consumer Rights Act 2015, you cannot unwind a used watch purchase solely due to buyer's remorse. The CRA only provides a statutory right to a refund, repair, or replacement if the item is faulty, not as described, or not fit for purpose".

Under this law, you could only ask for the deal to be 'unwound' if it was not as described.
You have yet to tell us how the watch was described.
This is doubly important as you viewed the watch in person when purchasing.
Its would not be though would it? He may have said that here but is it buyer regret at having purchased something from a dealer expecting it to be as it left the workshop albiet secondhand and thinking you have been misled or sold a pup
 
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Understood, I really have no dog in the fight. I'm just wondering what "unwinding" looks like if the Speedmaster has been sold. That could be contentious. Keep us updated.
Under uk law it would be giving me the full market value of a 2024 FOIS on the second hand market. I.e. an equivalent watch.
 
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Its would not be though would it? He may have said that here but is it buyer regret at having purchased something from a dealer expecting it to be as it left the workshop albiet secondhand and thinking you have been misled or sold a pup
It's irrelevant. A reasonable person would expect to get a fully original bracelet. Different end links mean it's a franken bracelet.
 
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It's irrelevant. A reasonable person would expect to get a fully original bracelet. Different end links mean it's a franken bracelet.
Why are you saying my comment is irrelevant when you are are agreeing with what im saying. Im all confused.com
 
ninman
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Why are you saying my comment is irrelevant when you are are agreeing with what im saying. Im all confused.com
I mean the law doesn't care what my reasons are for wanting to reject the watch. The fact is a frankenbracelet cannot be considered to be of satisfactory quality.

However, you're right that I was motivated by the fact that I was sold a pup. E.g. I was told it was keeping "perfect" time but when I used it it was losing 18 s/d. The bracelet is just much easier to prove.

Anyway, I agree with you, is the bottom line.
 
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