Thoughts on 69 Speedy

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I think the listing has been updated for accuracy, perhaps the seller has read this thread or been contacted by an expert. For example, I think it originally seemed to claim that the sweep hand, bezel, and bracelet are original.
I think the lister has been fair. The listing mentions that the bracelet is a later version and that it should probably have a DON, but does not. He also shows the original and service parts included. I think it's on buyers to read all the verbiage carefully and if unclear contact the lister for exact information.
 
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Is it common to see Omega do that replacement? Or more of a red flag?
I honestly don't know the answer to that, but no 861 came with the metal brake and eighteen jewels originally.
Incidentally, having looked at the movement pic a bit closer it appears that the stem bolt for the hammer is missing.
 
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I honestly don't know the answer to that, but no 861 came with the metal brake and eighteen jewels originally.
Incidentally, having looked at the movement pic a bit closer it appears that the stem bolt for the hammer is missing.
The metal brake was in use until 73-74 when replaced with the delrin one. On the other hand the jeweled bridge is clearly a later replacement, as in 68/69 it would also have likely had beveled edges.
 
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I honestly don't know the answer to that, but no 861 came with the metal brake and eighteen jewels originally.
Incidentally, having looked at the movement pic a bit closer it appears that the stem bolt for the hammer is missing.
Agreed - was just curious if it’s a known service replacement on the jewel. I’ve read some folks change the Delrin for Metal if they have the movement viewable.

Stem bolt - IIRC that means the owner won’t be able to stop the chrono at desired position. Only engage and disengage?
 
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I'm not sure I would have said "must". During transition periods like 68-70, a lot of things were possible. It's more likely to have been fitted with a 1039, but the abstract does say it had an 1171. Although the one shown is clearly the present service version, not a vintage one

Many things are off in this watch for its production date.
 
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Many things are off in this watch for its production date.
I do agree that there are many things in this watch that seem to have been done to it post manufacture, and not necessarily correctly. As Omega states the extract only shows what's in their records and in no way reflects the current state of the watch.
 
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I would probably look for a better example personally.
 
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Stem bolt - IIRC that means the owner won’t be able to stop the chrono at desired position. Only engage and disengage?
Correct. The top pusher will reset to zero instead of pausing the chrono.
 
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I do agree that there are many things in this watch that seem to have been done to it post manufacture, and not necessarily correctly. As Omega states the extract only shows what's in their records and in no way reflects the current state of the watch.

The extract of the archives could be wrong. It's not the first time.
 
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Calling @eugeneandresson Would you be able to comment on what the earliest dated extract for a 145.022-69 you have seen is? My feeling is it should be later in 69 than the OP watch or even early 1970 but of course it doesn't help that Omega don't record the model iteration on the extract.
 
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...not on any extract.
Absolutely but I wondered if those who submit an extract also say what their iteration is. I have submitted a couple myself but can't remember if you ask for that or not. I realise it wouldn't be 100% reliable, unlike an image of an extract which would be, other than for any errors introduced by the extract team of course!
 
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I honestly don't know the answer to that, but no 861 came with the metal brake and eighteen jewels originally.
Incidentally, having looked at the movement pic a bit closer it appears that the stem bolt for the hammer is missing.

If for some reason the coupling yoke needs replacing, the only one you can buy is the one for the 18 jewel movements. So the part 860-1724 is no longer available, and you would have to buy an 1861-1724, which includes the jewel.

Cheers, Al
 
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Correct. The top pusher will reset to zero instead of pausing the chrono.
The listing has been updated on this as well. It does start and stop correctly.
 
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The listing has been updated on this as well. It does start and stop correctly.
So where is the stem bolt that is needed for it to function correctly?
 
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Can it is just be the angel of the photo? I can see a difference in color...
 
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Can it is just be the angel of the photo? I can see a difference in color...

The stem bolt for hammer should stick up beyond the top of the hammer...it should be clearly visible...

 
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The stem bolt for hammer should stick up beyond the top of the hammer...it should be clearly visible...
Alright, clearly wider and thus should be more visible.