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This Fake Omega Seamaster Is Unbelievable | Watchfinder & Co.

Archer
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I am probably too noob to notice the pivots, but what I see is pretty obvious difference in the balance.

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I have the same watch as shown by Watchfinder, same reference. Just used fake's serial number with my Metas code and it did not pass.
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At first sight this fake looks dangerous, but once one does a basic due diligence- I doubt any collector can be really fooled here.

That's because the reference number of the watch doesn't match that serial number. The serial number belongs to a different model.

Serial number: 82186396
Article ref: 21060422099001
Version of movement: 8806A

Again the thing about using the pivots is that now that you know about it, it's easily spotted and doesn't require you to do any comparisons in small movement differences, like the stud screw on the balance bridge or the balance itself you are pointing out. In fact you don't even have to know what the movement is supposed to look like - it there are no pivots in the jewels, it's fake.

For example here's a real Panerai movement:



Here's a fake - even with a grainy photo I can see there are no pivots in these jewels, so I really don't even need to know what the real movement looks like, as this is obviously fake:



Cheers, Al
 
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That's a great tip, Archer! Thanks!

Out of curiosity, how do the wheels work if their pivots aren't inserted into the jewels?
 
Archer
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That's a great tip, Archer! Thanks!

Out of curiosity, how do the wheels work if their pivots aren't inserted into the jewels?

They don't - there are no wheels. It's just a cover plate made to look like the real movement.
 
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Archer Archer
They don't - there are no wheels. It's just a cover plate made to look like the real movement.
Ah, ok, wow. That's a bit of an eye opener!
 
vitriol
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Thanks @Archer , Watchfinder took excellent macros of fake jewels but no macros of Omega jewels😀 After your PAM photos it is clear.

That stud screw, what is its function? Is it locking the balance spring?
 
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vitriol vitriol
I am probably too noob to notice the pivots, but what I see is pretty obvious difference in the balance.

Omega
metas4.JPG


Fake
metas3.JPG


I have the same watch as shown by the Watchfinder, same reference. Just used fake's serial number with my Metas code and it did not pass.
metas2.JPG


At first sight this fake looks dangerous, but once one does a basic due diligence- I doubt any collector can be really fooled here.
Would your code and access number work with another serial number? I’m still not sure how that works. I have just one METAS movement
 
Archer
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Thanks @Archer , Watchfinder took excellent macros of fake jewels but no macros of Omega jewels😀 After your PAM photos it is clear.

That stud screw, what is its function? Is it locking the balance spring?

The stud is what attaches one end of the balance spring to the balance bridge, and in this case a screw is used to hold it in place.
 
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Would your code and access number work with another serial number? I’m still not sure how that works. I have just one METAS movement

Me too - only one Metas movement😀
I tried the reference of this Titanium/Tantalum watch + serial of Titanium/Tantalum + my access code (Steel watch), the website has returned the same error message - "no results found".

I understand watch' serial number is linked to the reference number, and Metas records are linked to a particular movement, so we probably see Metas results only if all 3 items are correct.
 
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I was watching "grand tour" recently where they were in Vietnam, and Jeremy Clarkson was in a bazaar where they had watches piled up. He was wearing a Seamaster and commented that it cost him around 3000 pounds, but here he could buy it for 30. He made it funny, but its really sad for those of us who are real collectors and enthusiasts.

Education like this is crucial.
When I take my China trips to China we always hit the Bund which is the famous shopping district in shanghai, I think it’s shanghai. I check out the omega and Rolex watch boutiques but there is no difference in prices and when you walk in it’s a bit uncomfortable as they see a westerner and think we are all rich. So I just look around but as soon as you step out of the shop you are confronted by an army of rep sellers with books of 50-60 fakes you can point to one and they will bring it to you. It sucks as they are rather aggressive. The books have many of the modern Rolex and omega. I have no idea of the quality of them but I saw a number of people buying a few.
 
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I suppose there are a couple schools of thought:
One is that truly wealthy people are wealthy because they only buy what is functional and don't waste money on anything over and above what meets the bare minimum requirement. These are the millionaires who drive ten year old cars and wear a cheap Casio watch because it tells time. I suppose a fake would appeal to them, provided it tells time. The other thought is that generational wealth is gained by NOT buying what is disposable, and having something to hand-down to future generations gives them a leg up.

I've been in the Asian markets (Hong Kong, Saigon, etc.) and seen row upon row of fake and just can't bring myself to even look at them. OK, maybe a glance out of the corner of my eye, but part of it, for me, is that showing any interest gets you swarmed by guys who are just so damn pushy that it drives me away. I don't respond well to the hard sell. But more importantly, I don't want to reward the liars and cheats who are making a buck off of the really talented artists who make the real thing. I'm comfortable enough with my own self-worth that there are things I cannot (nor will ever) afford. Fooling someone else in that way doesn't appeal to me.
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The Seamaster 300MC isn't spared too. Though not as convincing as the SMP shown at Watchfinder.

One of these is a fake....

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Edit- Apologies if this breaks any forum posting rules. Say the word and I'll delete it immediately.
I was able to spot in the Daytona the fake one from the good one when they were side by side, but in this one i couldn't. Scary.
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I was able to spot in the Daytona the fake one from the good one when they were side by side, but in this one i couldn't. Scary.
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It would seem the Rolex's are harder to copy than Omega's. Probably.
 
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It would seem the Rolex's are harder to copy than Omega's. Probably.
Some of the best copies out there are Rolex Subs. That is, until you open it.
 
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I just saw a similar video on a seamaster. Scary. Where in the past you could easily see it on where the helium valve was located no everything looks the same. You can only see it with a microscope in the details. And also at the back with a showcase back! At the end you can spot it in the thickness since they basically put the visible parts of the movement (all fake) on an already existing movement. Will see if I can find the link in my browser history.
 
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Edit- Apologies if this breaks any forum posting rules. Say the word and I'll delete it immediately.[/QUOTE]

Probably discussed already a few times here on this forum, but shouldn’t placing this original versus replica posts not be flagged as super positive in stead of forbidden? I would like to learn as much as possible as to how to identify a fake! The more info and details the better. In fact I would encourage the operators to even put this in a separate section “Identify a fake watch”.
 
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imranbecks imranbecks
The Seamaster 300MC isn't spared too. Though not as convincing as the SMP shown at Watchfinder.

One of these is a fake....

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right one the fake?
 
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It doesn’t make sense to me but as long as all parties know what’s going on what the hell

In thirty years, the original owners will have passed these frauds on to new owners (their inheritors, for example), who will have no idea. They, in turn, will reflood the market with all this crap.

This fraudulent shit, just what’s already out there, will poison the market for decades to come.

And I’ve been watching Chernobyl on HBO.
 
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