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This Fake Omega Seamaster Is Unbelievable | Watchfinder & Co.

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right one the fake?

Say what! No! The right one is the genuine one and it's mine ::facepalm1::

Look at the left one with the sandwiched dial hour markers. Black dial over a lume piece beneath it. That's not right. Even casting a shadow on the hour markers. The real one isn't really a sandwiched dial but lume is filled within the laser cut hour markers. You got fooled by a fake one thinking its real..... That's how dangerous fakes have become if you don't know what to look for.
 
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I read a thread that even modern Seiko鈥檚 are being faked!
Even Daniel Wellington watches have fakes believe it or not.
 
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Wryfox Wryfox
Most of the replicacompanies want to produce the latest models, as it will be the biggest demand.... There is a famous story from a couple years ago where the replica actually came out BEFORE the real watch. They copied it off the early marketing pics.

Wow, I wonder if they'll be a 321 Ed White replica before the real one is even released 馃憥
 
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I was in Turkey last month. This is quite common. In fact, it is useless to assume you could buy an original of any name brand in a Turkish bazaar.

This is the same place I saw 10yrs ago when I was in the same location. If you're gonna be fake, be genuine about it.
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I read a thread that even modern Seiko鈥檚 are being faked!
I've seen replica Seikos that are at least 40 years old. Hell, I was tricked by a replica Swiss Army one time in a flea market box of $5ea broken watches. Snapped it up for parts. Didn't bother to look closely because I had never seen it done before. Now all my replicas I find go to a special box mostly for parts when my friends need repairs on their POS replicas.
 
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airansun airansun
In thirty years, the original owners will have passed these frauds on to new owners (their inheritors, for example), who will have no idea. They, in turn, will reflood the market with all this crap.

This fraudulent shit, just what鈥檚 already out there, will poison the market for decades to come.

And I鈥檝e been watching Chernobyl on HBO.
If these fakes last that long it is rather impressive. Chernobyl is a well done show
 
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vicsdca vicsdca
If governments cracked down on replicas the same way they crack down on counterfeit money, you wouldn't find so many of those Chinese fakes everywhere in the world and few would come through our borders. It should be illegal to own and purchase replicas.

That's a bit extreme. People caught selling them are (or can be) prosecuted.

China produces replica shoes, clothes, bags, jewelry, sunglasses, accessories, etc. You name it. If it's a global brand and slightly premium, they make it. Big money for them. Replica companies are falling out of favor (my opinion) but we need China and a few other countries responsible for the supply to clamp down.

In our little "watch" world, it's important but I'm sure there are bigger problems for law enforcement that demand attention. Replica factories are down the list.
 
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vicsdca vicsdca
There was a time when you bought a sweater or a pair of jeans, it would last you forever. Today you'll be lucky if a piece of clothing survives after 10 laundries, even expensive ones from reputable brands. No wonder vintage items have become extremely popular. People are not just going after nostalgia but also after the high quality of old.

That's true, most of the fashion brands that we know offer crappy quality clothing. You can still find good quality clothes that are well made with good quality materials and made to last but you really have to go looking for them (micro brands). Jeans for example are almost disposable these days compared to what they used to be.
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Do they fake ceramic models as good ? Or even at all ? Cant recall the Speedy ceramics or the new Seamaster Ceramic coming up in posts like this .

disclaimer : Just bought a Seamaster Ceramic 馃槖
 
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djmusicman djmusicman
That's true, most of the fashion brands that we know offer crappy quality clothing. You can still find good quality clothes that are well made with good quality materials and made to last but you really have to go looking for them (micro brands). Jeans for example are almost disposable these days compared to what they used to be.

Jeans are a good example -- micros like Naked and Famous etc. are the places to look now, using smaller-batch quality rope-dyed fabrics from Japanese mills that are fully-cotton. Interesting that quality is now most-often found out of the mainstream brands, many of whom who made their names by producing (or at least touting) a reputation for quality.

I have been pleasantly surprised by the levels of quality obtainable in the world of watches, even from smaller brands (Damasko, Doxa). Perhaps it's the detailed, sometimes fanatical attention paid by aficionados keeping them honest, but there's something satisfying about collecting in a segment that includes classic Seiko divers and the VC/Lange/PP/AP high-end -- where I, for one, will never be able to tread.

The idea of a "good" fake is interesting though, since the status bump presumably sought in wearing a fake Rolex/Omega/whatever has little to do with the quality of the fake -- it's the name, not the piece, that counts. Is it professionalism that drives the better fake? Or just the market dictating that better fakes can cost more?
 
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kgb33 kgb33
Sorry I meant ceramic cases not the dial or just the bezel .

No problem, .... misunderstanding!
 
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People are not just going after nostalgia but also after the high quality of old.

read up on Survivorship Bias - people have an impression that old stuff lasts better, but really it鈥檚 just because they only see the stuff the HAS survived.
 
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Archer Archer
That's because the reference number of the watch doesn't match that serial number. The serial number belongs to a different model.

Serial number: 82186396
Article ref: 21060422099001
Version of movement: 8806A

Again the thing about using the pivots is that now that you know about it, it's easily spotted and doesn't require you to do any comparisons in small movement differences, like the stud screw on the balance bridge or the balance itself you are pointing out. In fact you don't even have to know what the movement is supposed to look like - it there are no pivots in the jewels, it's fake.

For example here's a real Panerai movement:



Here's a fake - even with a grainy photo I can see there are no pivots in these jewels, so I really don't even need to know what the real movement looks like, as this is obvious

This is such valuable advice. Thank you so much for sharing, since your initial post, i have gone down a rabbit hole of jewels & pivots & movement parts etc that is utterly fascinating.
 
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vicsdca vicsdca
True. It is a bit extreme. However, I was not just talking about watches. Even when you purchase something on Amazon (like a pair of Ray Ban) you cannot even be sure you will receive a genuine item nowadays.

Counterfeits in general are a huge issue globally. Everything from luxury goods, to medications, to the electronics used in aircraft. They are far from being benign....
 
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Not gonna lie, took me a few seconds to tell the left one was fake.

Fortunately there will always be cues. Producing a 1:1 replica would make less sense for forgers than a 0.95:1 replica. I've seen some "super clone" sub and there's always something that gives away it's a fake so that the factory producing them can release an "even better" version the following year.

What gets me weary is people advertising "real" watches online, using pictures of said real watches, and selling you a fake in the end.
 
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Archer Archer
Counterfeits in general are a huge issue globally. Everything from luxury goods, to medications, to the electronics used in aircraft. They are far from being benign....
Worse, there are fake helicopter rotor blades that have been found during inspections. How they can play with people's lives with something like this is incomprehensible (until you see how much money can be made...).
Same goes for fake medications 馃が
 
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kgb33 kgb33
Sorry I meant ceramic cases not the dial or just the bezel .
Here's a fake Planet Ocean Big Blue. Ceramic case and all... Not mine of course, got the pic from a replica website.

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