The C-Cased Constellation Thread

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ah yeah, I am still always keeping an eye out for a 198.741.

I limit myself to these designs as "c-case" cause otherwise the things I would be looking at would blow out even further. When I first started looking into a tuning fork model the array of c-shaped models was pretty astounding. I was glad when I was able to finally narrow my search down to the 198.741
 
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I’m sadly still on the hunt for a near mint grey dial .027 🙁

It takes a lot of time to hunt uncommon specific models, unrealistic to expect short turnarounds, even in this high supply low demand market
 
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What's the difference? Genuine question, not rhetorical. I've been curious about how strictly we should define "c-case".

I see loads of slightly different c-shape / tonneau shaped cases from various manufacturers in the early 1970s in particular. Some are a a bit chunkier (wider in relation to their length). Often these ones (like the one above) have the space between the lugs straight-edged horizontally. Some "c-shaped" cases have the space between the lugs extending all of the way back to a curved surface that has the same arc as the dial. The Constellation c-shapes are somewhere in-between.

Here are a couple of Longines Ultra Chron cases - would you say that the first one is c-shaped and the second tonneau shaped? At what point does one become the other?


I don't know about longines and perona. Bienne says tonneau, c, pilot, etc. That memomatic is tonneau-shape, called by omega.

Aficionados say batman, polar, explorer I, submariner not-date, traveller/caller gmt, etc. and rolex doesn't do it.
 
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I see the C-shape as Omega's variation on the tonneau-shape, biggest difference being in the shape of the lugs. They did have similar shape case already in the 30s/40s with this cal 27,3 example (listed as round tonneau), and I wouldn't be surprised if there is another one even earlier done by some other watchmaker. Mr Genta did an marvellous job in refining the details and the overall package and testament to that (in my opinion) is the fact how the shape gained popularity in the 70s, over 10 years after the Omega C-shape Constellation's debute.

 
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I see the C-shape as Omega's variation on the tonneau-shape, biggest difference being in the shape of the lugs. They did have similar shape case already in the 30s/40s with this cal 27,3 example (listed as round tonneau), and I wouldn't be surprised if there is another one even earlier done by some other watchmaker. Mr Genta did an marvellous job in refining the details and the overall package and testament to that (in my opinion) is the fact how the shape gained popularity in the 70s, over 10 years after the Omega C-shape Constellation's debute.


UK catalogue?
 
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Wow, that “round tonneau” really is an early c-shape. It’s the combination of a tonneau-shaped case with a round dial that makes (or is a prerequisite for) the c-shape of course (there are plenty tonneau cases before Genta’s design, but with dials that are also tonneau shaped, so there is no “c”).

Anything like the c-shape does seem to be very rare before the first Constellation c-shape, and very common after that. I’m just curious to what extent everyone else was just copying Genta’s design for Omega, or to what extent people came up with similar designs at the same time, driven by wider cultural influences.
 
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Pilot and tonneau.

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Anyone here got a speedy reduced? Always loved the classic speedy but it’s too big for my 6.5" wrists. Just realized you can get the reduced for $~2k and I’m interested.
 
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Anyone here got a speedy reduced? Always loved the classic speedy but it’s too big for my 6.5" wrists. Just realized you can get the reduced for $~2k and I’m interested.

It's my brothers, more photos here: https://www.instagram.com/p/CelR6iGrkuX/ - and you can see other watches on a 6.5inch wrist, but for some reason I never shared on with a C-Case 😀



Quite a different beast for a C-Case enthusiast, I wanted one as well before trying it on, the day/date/month etc. is incredible, but I like the elegance of the C-Case more, perception is also important, the C-Case gets a lot of compliments and I think the average person would view Speedmasters more like a toy watch compared to a C-Case

The C-Case is very thin and light, while this watch was very heavy and thick, but the size is good, it could be a good C-Case companion 😁
 
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It's my brothers, more photos here: https://www.instagram.com/p/CelR6iGrkuX/ - and you can see other watches on a 6.5inch wrist, but for some reason I never shared on with a C-Case 😀



Quite a different beast for a C-Case enthusiast, I wanted one as well before trying it on, the day/date/month etc. is incredible, but I like the elegance of the C-Case more, perception is also important, the C-Case gets a lot of compliments and I think the average person would view Speedmasters more like a toy watch compared to a C-Case

The C-Case is very thin and light, while this watch was very heavy and thick, but the size is good, it could be a good C-Case companion 😁

those are nice as well! But I was more so looking into the 3510.50.00
I would prefer a 168.027 grey dial but I’m getting impatient
 
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Can you guys notice what's wrong with the watch?

There are so many awesome details about C-Case's that one only appreciates when going into the detail, I wonder if this one is easy to spot

Hint: It's tiny

 
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Can you guys notice what's wrong with the watch?

There are so many awesome details about C-Case's that one only appreciates when going into the detail, I wonder if this one is easy to spot

Hint: It's tiny

is it the sex? 😝
 
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Hmm.. The curly end of the final "n" in "Constellation" is curled up too far...? Or is that just one known variation?

There's the MOY thing, but I'm totally confused by the variation in the relative positions of the letters in the c-cases...
 
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Can you guys notice what's wrong with the watch?

There are so many awesome details about C-Case's that one only appreciates when going into the detail, I wonder if this one is easy to spot

Hint: It's tiny
What a nice puzzle 😀 Omega applied text looks a bit slanted, but might be just the angle of the photo and image compression. I don't see Omega logo etching in the crystal, but that might be the compression too. Edit: the index marker at 7 seems to miss some of the onyx/black, is this it?
 
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Minute marker at ’46’ missing?
 
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The minute marker / index imperfections are from the crystal / reflections, the dial is perfect

After a year of chasing NOS parts I finally managed to find some seconds hands that are the same dimension and model, which is like a continuous triangle, received it recently, seemed completely identical - the seller was pretty legit too, he had 1000's of NOS Omega parts from a watchmaker estate



(The bottom of a C-Case seconds hand was identical to the top of these seconds hands, it wasn't a top to top comparison)

Only when it was time to use one of them I noticed the difference, they are a much hefty model, our seconds hands are pretty much paper thin with no base or no top

So the difference is, this seconds hand has a hefty top too, you can notice the ring - they are probably Seamaster or Geneve hands, as far as I remember those were identical to this one, before this I never paid attention to how petite the original seconds hands were

 
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The minute marker / index imperfections are from the crystal / reflections, the dial is perfect

After a year of chasing NOS parts I finally managed to find some seconds hands that are the same dimension and model, which is like a continuous triangle, received it recently, seemed completely identical - the seller was pretty legit too, he had 1000's of NOS Omega parts from a watchmaker estate



(The bottom of a C-Case seconds hand was identical to the top of these seconds hands, it wasn't a top to top comparison)

Only when it was time to use one of them I noticed the difference, they are a much hefty model, our seconds hands are pretty much paper thin with no base or no top

So the difference is, this seconds hand has a hefty top too, you can notice the ring - they are probably Seamaster or Geneve hands, as far as I remember those were identical to this one, before this I never paid attention to how petite the original seconds hands were



amazing find, could you share the supplier? I am looking for an almost NOS 166.0216 silver dial
 
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amazing find, could you share the supplier? I am looking for an almost NOS 166.0216 silver dial
Yeah of course, I’ll message you when I get home

I doubt there’ll be a dial though, it’s just packed parts of different brands, a 751 center wheel / cannon pinion was $50 - too rich for me, for most things it’s better buying a donor for now