The Aviators Thread

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First and third pictures shows a RAF Vickers Wellington (retired in 19653), second photo might be a Handley Page Harrow (retired 1946).
I always liked this Wellington-onboard photo of a RAF flight Sergeant with his wrist watch, note the Iron & wooden airframe:
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First and third pictures shows a RAF Vickers Wellington (retired in 19653), second photo might be a Handley Page Harrow (retired 1946).
I always liked this Wellington-onboard photo of a RAF flight Sergeant with his wrist watch, note the Iron & wooden airframe:
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My dad never mentioned the Wellington, or the Stirling, for that matter, but the Wellington was well regarded and tough as old boots.
The Stirling was supposedly very maneuverable and tougher than the Lanc or Halifax.
By the time my dad flew in the Wimpy and Stirling they were clapped out and there were lots of accidents in training.
 
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65 years " Stealth " concept and Half-a-century " Stealth " technology:
In 1960 Soviet-Russian physicist Pyotr Ufimtsev's research in scattering electronic magnetic waves lay the basis for " Stealth " technology. Two years later, Ufimtsev published his research which was translated by 1971. Take another 4 years and by 1975, American aircraft producers such as Lockheed & Northrop "applied" the theory to design a stealth fighter aircraft.
Best-known project is the "Have Blue", started in 1975, leading to a first flight in 1977 which became the F117 Night Hawk by 1981...
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December 1989, first operational use F-117 Night Hawk...
March 1999, F-117 Night Hawk downed over outskirts Belgrade Serbia
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1996 and 2024 books on flight helmets !
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Don't mind some flight gear myself. These are books which I picked up second hand from my local militaria store...
 
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May I ask: can this (design, "adjustments") on the back


be an old flight-jacket? Heavy !!! leather and RITSCH - zipper:

 
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May I ask: can this (design, "adjustments") on the back


be an old flight-jacket? Heavy !!! leather and RITSCH - zipper:

I'm more familiar with US flying jackets such as the Type A-2 and G-1, so I can't answer with any certainty. But I suspect that this isn't an old military issue flight jacket that's been modified. Happy to stand corrected though.
 
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Have a look here… from a book called Icons of Men’s Style.



I am using my watch as a paper weight…




And the two watch brands mentioned in the book are Rolex and Omega.


 
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May I ask: can this (design, "adjustments") on the back


be an old flight-jacket? Heavy !!! leather and RITSCH - zipper:

More likely a motorcycle jacket. I had something similar many years ago.
 
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Have a look here… from a book called Icons of Men’s Style.



I am using my watch as a paper weight…




And the two watch brands mentioned in the book are Rolex and Omega.


Have a look here… from a book called Icons of Men’s Style.



I am using my watch as a paper weight…




And the two watch brands mentioned in the book are Rolex and Omega.


Iconic? Hell yeah!

According to your book's title I must have good taste in jackets, although my wife might disagree 🤣
 
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Way back when I was at Willytown the aircrew were issued the green outer/orange inner jackets, and when they became worn or stained, they could return/exchange them at L Group (clothing store) for a new one. Not sure how many exchanges per year they were allowed, but I never saw a pilot in a worn/torn/dirty jacket.

The old jackets were all put in a big container behing the counter, and when it was full, the sentencing officer would check them and sign off as unserviceable. They would then be taken to the base tip and dumped.

A few of us were at the tip one day disposing of equipment packages that were too big for the bins in the hangar. We happened to notice the clothing store guys tip the jackets out into the same hole we were dumping the cartons.

We surreptitiously glanced at each other, gave a small nod and a "go slow" eventuated to allow the clothing store guys to leave.
As soon as that was done, we grabbed armfuls of jackets and jumped back into our truck and off to the section.
Trips to the dump often scored a few more jackets.
We had a few pilot mates and they were happy to take our jackets in for exchange for a new one.
This went on for over a year until an audit found that the clothing store was issuing more jackets than the base had aircrew!
Some clever officer who was on the BoS (Board of Survey) came up with the mandate that all exchanged jackets were to be sprayed with a large red cross using an indelible paint.
Bastard.
That ended the great flying jacket benefit for us troopies.

I still had three nice ones when I got out many years later.
 
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Way back when I was at Willytown the aircrew were issued the green outer/orange inner jackets, and when they became worn or stained, they could return/exchange them at L Group (clothing store) for a new one. Not sure how many exchanges per year they were allowed, but I never saw a pilot in a worn/torn/dirty jacket.

The old jackets were all put in a big container behing the counter, and when it was full, the sentencing officer would check them and sign off as unserviceable. They would then be taken to the base tip and dumped.

A few of us were at the tip one day disposing of equipment packages that were too big for the bins in the hangar. We happened to notice the clothing store guys tip the jackets out into the same hole we were dumping the cartons.

We surreptitiously glanced at each other, gave a small nod and a "go slow" eventuated to allow the clothing store guys to leave.
As soon as that was done, we grabbed armfuls of jackets and jumped back into our truck and off to the section.
Trips to the dump often scored a few more jackets.
We had a few pilot mates and they were happy to take our jackets in for exchange for a new one.
This went on for over a year until an audit found that the clothing store was issuing more jackets than the base had aircrew!
Some clever officer who was on the BoS (Board of Survey) came up with the mandate that all exchanged jackets were to be sprayed with a large red cross using an indelible paint.
Bastard.
That ended the great flying jacket benefit for us troopies.

I still had three nice ones when I got out many years later.
Great story! Might be why I can't find any ex air force flight jackets in disposals stores 😄

Your story reminds me of what happened to the U.S. Navy Type G-1 leather flying jackets. According to the book "Hell Bent for Leather" by Nelson and Parsons, the Type G-1 could previously be ordered by a flying squadron's supply officer. Naturally, they would order a few more than what would be needed to cover loss/damage. These excess jackets could be used as "Cumshaw", a gratuity that could be exchanged for favours when needed. By the late 1970s, the powers that be worked out that over 30,000 flight jackets were being ordered every year despite there only being just 15,000 aviators on strength at any one time. They dealt with this waste by ceasing the issue of this jacket to aircrew. When Reagan became president, the issue of these jackets resumed in the early 1980s. However, they were now a more strictly controlled item which was issued from a single building at NAS Pensacola. Any member who wanted a replacement for a lost/ damaged jacket now had to submit a letter to their CO explaining how it happened. The CO would then make a determination on whether to approve replacement at Service expense. Don't know how true this is. Maybe @Mad Dog can confirm.

Anyway, here's a pic of the passage from the book. It's quite a good read if you can get hold of a copy...

And here's a pic of a Type G-1 from my collection. It's from the first batch of jackets produced for the U.S. Navy after they started issuing them again. The contract number on the label states that it was ordered in fiscal year 1982. Zipper is a replacement.
 
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Couple of paragraphs before your highlight.



Looks like it wasn't confined to the RAAF 🤣.
 
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Interesting story about the US Navy G1 jackets, but politicians visiting a Navy base were the first to say Yes Thank You when they were gifted one
Anyway, logistics-wise, be it "Air Force" of "Army Aviation", with Nomex flight gear it has always been, old against new with a limit of once a year !
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So it was a Duxford day yesterday for six hours…. A few items to research and only covered two hangers… still lots to see and lots of aircraft having their winter spa treatment ready for the new season. Had the chance to get up close as well which is always welcome. There is one under restoration hidden in a photo below I am really hoping to see fly again. Maybe one of the best and most underrated planes of WW2…

 
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So it was a Duxford day yesterday for six hours…. A few items to research and only covered two hangers… still lots to see and lots of aircraft having their winter spa treatment ready for the new season. Had the chance to get up close as well which is always welcome. There is one under restoration hidden in a photo below I am really hoping to see fly again. Maybe one of the best and most underrated planes of WW2…

Great pics! Thanks for sharing.
Learnt something new today as I didn't know there was an entry ladder underneath the rear section of the Cat.
By "most underrated aircraft", I'm guessing you're referring to the Hurricane? That's a beautiful example there. If memory serves me correct, it actually shot down more enemy aircraft during the Battle of Britain than the Spitfire. Was also easier to repair after sustaining battle damage.