The Aviators Thread

Omegafanman

So a really special day today which rounded off a busy week plane spotting…..I will catch up in a month or two and put some photos up.
Anyone want to play spot the plane with this one….
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TLIGuy

Since we are talking Tomcats and fighter pilot legends here is another one of my award winning Tomcat builds. Do you see a theme to my builds👍

This one is an also one of the most famous air to air engagements between The F-14A Tomcat the the newly developed F-15 Strike Eagle.

The story of Joe “Hoser” Satrapa, the F-14 Tomcat pilot who scored two simulated gun kills on two USAF F-15s for two times in the same mission

Guns were Hoser’s game in the air; he flew the four-gun Crusader – which many Navy pilots still regard as the [deleted] machine of all time- in Southeast Asia, and he’d never been forced to rely totally on missiles like his Navy Phantom cohorts. After negotiations that would shame the pro football draft, Hoser was dragooned back into the Tomcat front seat as a RAG guns instructor. This, after personal entreaties from the highest levels up and including Secretary of the Navy John Lehman, himself a Reserve naval aviator.

Many active pilots and RIOs well remember Hoser’s delivery of manic harangues to fuzzy-cheeked newcomers from the RAG. In his patented Yosemite Sam voice he would whip the lads, and invariably himself, into a lethal frenzy: “Pull on the pole till the rivets pop and the RIO pukes! No kill like a guns kill! A Lima up the tailpipe is too good for any Gomer! Close with the miserable Commie [deleted] and put a few rounds of twenty-twenty-mike-mike through his canopy! If he hits the silk, gun his ass while he swings!” Hoser would then pace the corridor, bumping into hapless petty officers, muttering oaths, trying to re-align his internal INS.

Hoser also knew a thing or two about the element of surprise. During the much-maligned AIMVAL-ACEVAL fighter trials of a decade ago, Hoser was put in a 1 V 1 against a Navy Aggressor flying an F-5. As the two combatants sat side-by-side on the Nellis runway, awaiting tower clearance for a second takeoff, Hoser looked over at his opponent, reached his hand up over the control panel, and mimicked the cocking of machine guns in a World War I Spad. A thumbs up came from the other cockpit- guns it would be, the proverbial knife fight in a phone booth, forget the missiles. Both jets blasted off.

In the area, the fighters set up twenty miles apart for a head-on intercept under ground control. Seven miles from the merge, with closure well over 1000 knots, Hoser called “Fox One” – Sparrow missile away, no chance of a miss. As they flashed past each other, the furious F-5 driver radioed, “What the hell was that all about?” “Sorry.” said Hoser, “lost my head. Let’s set up again. Guns only, I promise.”

Remember Charlie Brown, Lucy, and the football? Again the two fighters streaked towards the pass, again at seven miles Hoser called “Fox One.” The Aggressor was apoplectic; he was also coming up on bingo fuel state, a common situation in the short-legged F-5.

Hoser was first back to the club bar, nursing an end-of-the-day cold one as the flushed Aggressor stomped in. “Hoser, what the hell happened to credibility?” fumed the F-5 jock. Said Hoser, with accompanying thumb gestures, “Credibility is DOWN, kill ratio is UP!” It’s a popular Top Gun story, and it’s moral isn’t lost on students or teachers. From 1 V 1 to forty-plane furball, expect anything. But never expect your enemy to be a sweet guy.”

As explained by Alvin Towley in his book Fly Navy: Discovering the Extraordinary People and Enduring Spirit of Naval Aviation, on another occasion, Hoser was set to duel two versus two with a pair of U.S. Air Force (USAF) F-15 Eagles. On the tarmac, Hoser’s wingman had mechanical trouble and couldn’t fly, but Hoser decided to fly anyway and turn the situation to his advantage. Hoser and his Tomcat NFO (a backseat Radar Intercept Officer, or RIO, as they were known in the F-14 community) took off. They began impersonating two airplanes on the radio. The F-15 Eagles, who expected two adversaries, became distracted as they searched for the “other” Navy jet on their radar screens. Hoser quickly bagged two gun kills, maneuvering through missile ranges until he was close enough to trigger his 20 mm cannon. In round two, he flat outmaneuvered the air force pilots for two more gun kills. And as he always said, “There’s no kill like a guns kill.”

To add a little more insult to his adversaries’ loss, Lt. Commander Satrapa impersonated a junior grade lieutenant during the mission debrief, which was done over telephone. The air force pilots thought they’d been whipped by a student pilot.

As every great fighter pilot story begins "Now, this is no Shit..."

I met Hoser at his home in SOCAL where he happily signed my build.

This is the actual gun photo image from the F-15 kill as seen from Hoser's perspective.

A Arunski

RIP
https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/one-dead-three-injured-in-italian-air-force-display-team-crash

8100_RPM

@TLIGuy Thanks for sharing your Tomcat models. I remember when you were posting about the Hoser project on the Tomcat Sunset Forum. It was a great place to interact with Hoser, Hey Joe, Bio and other members of the Tomcat community.

DoctorEvil

Terrible news. Best wishes that the survivors recover soon from their injuries.

Omegafanman

Great old pictures. Some including airships / airship hangers? Not sure of the location?
I think there were 61 airship hangers by the end or WW1 (82 if you include Naval aircraft bases). The Walrus could have the wings folded for a ships hanger as well I believe so not did not need too much space. I had a trip to Cardington earlier this year to see the R101 hangars. It is very hard to capture how big they are in a photo (a bit like the NASA vehicle assebly building). Cardington is a quirky little English village ... I always felt like I was being watched :0)
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SpeedyPhill

@DoctorEvil
The hook to snatch a cable can also be used on land-based runways 😗
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DoctorEvil

Thanks for this info. My understanding is that the IWC MkXI was the RAF standard issue pilot's watch up until about 1982. However, it appears that these chronographs were standard issue at the same time. So, it begs the question: what determines who gets issued a chronograph and who gets issued a simple 3 hand watch?

Def Stan 66-4(Part 4)/Issue 4 dated 29 February 1980

Issue 4 of this Standard relates to electronic wrist watches which are now the current requirement for MOD use.

DEF STAN 66-4 (PART 4) Issue 3 dated 1 November 1973

Omegafanman

@SpeedyPhill @DoctorEvil @JimInOz

Yes it is a lightning… Phil has the advantage as we saw one at Hendon last year / plenty of photos. This one is in running (not flying condition) and I hope to see afterburners in action later this year (Bruntingthorpe)…
I did get to sit in one (not active). It is a long way up on the little ladder - (no flying dismount :0) a surprisingly cramped cockpit.

Omegafanman

I think there is some luck of the draw although Navigators probably got the best. There were also non-lume versions as more electronics / screens came in. You might like this (still on the Seiko)....
http://home.earthlink.net/~nederick/SeikoChronoRevuVulcF.htm