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More engine fun. Now you have got me rummaging. I think I do know what this one is and again it has similar sentimental value / some family history. I do not think this has any markings or ID. It is Military and from a slightly later project if I am right. It is about 5.5cm long.
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Found your blade, it’s from a Tornado. Somebody in the family had a deep reach into the British Aerospace industry. Click the photo in the link below.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turbine_blade
 
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$10,000 per blade? Wow! What are they made of?
Each engine must be worth millions.
Engines for your narrow body fleets such as A320 (Family) and 737 (Family) cost you $9-14 million each depending on the thrust you require. You can have 20,000 Lbs, 22, 24, 26, 27k. Its quite hilarious because a 20k lbs cost circa $9m and a 27k lbs cost circa $14m and its exactly the same donkey where the EEC (Electronic Engine Control) is tweaked to produce the thrust setting you need. I always compare it to the Audi A6 3.0 V6 TDI, you can have 250bhp, 275bhp, 333bhp etc from basically the same engine block.

Many years ago some clever fella took the engine parts catalogue and added up the cost of the engine serialised parts and realised if he bought a 20k lbs engine for $9m he could tear it down and sell the parts and make $12 million. The OEMs were not long to cotton on to this and now if you buy a new engine from Pratt or CFMI they will insert a clause that if you sell the engine before a certain time and cycle they have the first right of refusal.
 
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Noticed this on the Daily Mail, I would certainly never call it a newspaper but that is another story 🤦

Imperial War Museum Duxford and the largest gathering of different models of Spitfires.



They are arranged in order I think - great photo and each one must have an interesting story with amazing engineers getting them back in the air - and keeping them there. Buried in a Calais beach for nearly 50 years the story of N3200 and its return to flight is amazing and well worth a read (bottom left in the photo above). The original recovered engine is also pictured below.

The Spitfire lost for almost 50 Years | Imperial War Museums (iwm.org.uk)
 
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Found your blade, it’s from a Tornado. Somebody in the family had a deep reach into the British Aerospace industry. Click the photo in the link below.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turbine_blade

That was what I was hoping for. Impressed they found that. My family member trained / worked at Filton and then spent a long time in Munchen / Munich, and I knew a chunk of that time was on the Tornado (MRCA) project. I took some extra pix today of the blade and there was a small ref mark on it (2/C2 or 2/CZ). So much engineering and design in such a small item. Both items are extra special now - and all from a engine failure post :0). Thanks for tracking them down.
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Found your blade, it’s from a Tornado. Somebody in the family had a deep reach into the British Aerospace industry. Click the photo in the link below.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turbine_blade
Haha, @Omegafanman was quicker with his reply. I was going to say:
There are are lots of candidates for that profile! Although first guess might be someone working at Rolls Royce Bristol (now confirmed?), where the RB199 was designed, it could just as easily have been one of Rolls’ control system suppliers such as Marconi Avionics, Smiths or, more likely, Lucas Aerospace who made the MECU/DECU engine controllers (amongst other equipment) for the RB199 as well as FAFC/FADEC for RB211s, Trents and various FCUs and amplifiers for Concorde’s Olympus engines. Lucas Aerospace even had their own in-house engine test facility at Honiley (ex-RAF Station, now ProDrive) in Warwickshire. I can recall blades like these on desks at various LA sites (York Road, Shaftmoore Lane, etc.) This website has lots of photos of that engine test facility. https://www.28dayslater.co.uk/threads/lucas-aerospace-honiley-jan-2018.111500/

It’s sad to see the terrible state it is now in as I remember walking into this exact anechoic intake back in the day;



very disorienting experience to be in total darkness and not be able to hear echoes even from your own voice and that after maybe just five paces into the void.

Other possibilities would be someone from MoD Pyestock in Hampshire, another engine test facility, or perhaps folks at RAF Coningsby; a Tornado base with maintenance access to RB199s.
 
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Rolls Royce owes everything in the jet engine adaptation to Sir Stanley Hooker. It was SS whom first engaged a thoroughly despondent Frank Whittle (my personal hero and inspiration) and brought the revolutionary Power Jets W.2B/23 Turbine to the world. SS Hooker wrote a book titled "Not much of an engineer" and its a brilliant read for anyone into Aero Engines. After you read this book and Frank Whittles biography it all becomes clear why certain things are done at different locations throughout the UK. Rover even got into the engine building business with very Rover-esque results 😀

We have to give some credit to Hans Von Ohain who a few years after Whittle had applied for his patent, designed and built the first Jet Engine to fly. If Whittle had been given 10% of the Support Ohain received from Ernst Heinkel, things would have been very different for the RAF during WW2.
 
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Haha, @Omegafanman was quicker with his reply. I was going to say:
There are are lots of candidates for that profile! Although first guess might be someone working at Rolls Royce Bristol (now confirmed?), where the RB199 was designed, it could just as easily have been one of Rolls’ control system suppliers such as Marconi Avionics, Smiths or, more likely, Lucas Aerospace who made the MECU/DECU engine controllers (amongst other equipment) for the RB199 as well as FAFC/FADEC for RB211s, Trents and various FCUs and amplifiers for Concorde’s Olympus engines. Lucas Aerospace even had their own in-house engine test facility at Honiley (ex-RAF Station, now ProDrive) in Warwickshire. I can recall blades like these on desks at various LA sites (York Road, Shaftmoore Lane, etc.) This website has lots of photos of that engine test facility. https://www.28dayslater.co.uk/threads/lucas-aerospace-honiley-jan-2018.111500/

It’s sad to see the terrible state it is now in as I remember walking into this exact anechoic intake back in the day;



very disorienting experience to be in total darkness and not be able to hear echoes even from your own voice and that after maybe just five paces into the void.

Other possibilities would be someone from MoD Pyestock in Hampshire, another engine test facility, or perhaps folks at RAF Coningsby; a Tornado base with maintenance access to RB199s.


They were on subcontract to MTU in Munich. Sadly, they and all the people I am aware of who worked with them there are dead now – Some good living in Germany during the seventies / they had a rare old time. I do have a lot of old pictures they took (but all in slide format). I will make time to view and convert them one day.

Digging into the archive this week it looks like those aircraft design types did not spend all their time drinking beer or even occasionally aircraft designing. I came across this mathematical puzzle this week as well – calculating a length of rope for a grazing goat?

Looking at the format I think this dates from when scientific programable calculators first came out? With my basic level of maths, I am not sure how complex the puzzle actually is or if it is a well-known challenge?
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Rover even got into the engine building business with very Rover-esque results 😀

Rover 1S60 gas-turbine engine:


It was used for ground power, as an APU, and possibly in early examples of Rover's jet-cars. I think there a lot of parts missing from this example I came across in a computer collection. Until I looked it up just now I had not realised just how many and varied Rover's turbine engines were. http://www.gasturbineworld.co.uk/rovergasturbine.html
 
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My VW T1 has an APU installed in the back. It’s ex Lufthansa and spent it’s life inside and airport and therefore never registered for the road at 61 years old. I bought it and one day I will do something with it.

 
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My VW T1 has an APU installed in the back. It’s ex Lufthansa and spent it’s life inside and airport and therefore never registered for the road at 61 years old. I bought it and one day I will do something with it.

Please give it life again. That would be such an incredible piece
 
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Please give it life again. That would be such an incredible piece
My plan is to one day bring it back to life. The easy part will be the APU overhaul as I have the support network and could bring in back for sub $5,000.00.

where I will struggle is the bus restoration as I truly haven’t got a clue how to fix cars. I was trained to overhaul large commercial aircraft and engines so am lost when it comes to something with four wheels, it sounds odd but that’s the way it is.
 
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My plan is to one day bring it back to life. The easy part will be the APU overhaul as I have the support network and could bring in back for sub $5,000.00.

where I will struggle is the bus restoration as I truly haven’t got a clue how to fix cars. I was trained to overhaul large commercial aircraft and engines so am lost when it comes to something with four wheels, it sounds odd but that’s the way it is.
Networking, my friend. I'd be willing to bet somebody on the hangar row either has extensive automotive experience or knows someone that does.

My buddy the MD80 captain happens to have a really great skillet for auto body work. His brother is an excellent upholsterer too.

Just ask around! Christmas blessings to you and yours 😀
 
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Networking, my friend. I'd be willing to bet somebody on the hangar row either has extensive automotive experience or knows someone that does.

My buddy the MD80 captain happens to have a really great skillet for auto body work. His brother is an excellent upholsterer too.

Just ask around! Christmas blessings to you and yours 😀
You are totally correct. I just need to tell myself that it’s time to do it. I bought it in 2012 and have done nothing with it so far.

A very Merry Christmas to you and a prosperous and healthy new year.
 
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where I will struggle is the bus restoration as I truly haven’t got a clue how to fix cars. I was trained to overhaul large commercial aircraft and engines so am lost when it comes to something with four wheels, it sounds odd but that’s the way it is.

These people specialise in Type2 air-cooled VWs. https://type2detectives.com A friend does some machining & fabrication work for them. Three or four years ago he told me a typical rebuild could run to £25.000!




My friend also does some work for ARC at Duxford when they need top-class aluminium welding done 👍
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These people specialise in Type2 air-cooled VWs. https://type2detectives.com A friend does some machining & fabrication work for them. Three or four years ago he told me a typical rebuild could run to £25.000!




My friend also does some work for ARC at Duxford when they need top-class aluminium welding done 👎
That rebuild cost sounds about right. The other issue I face is Luxembourg won’t allow me to register it because of the APU and also because they don’t believe it’s never been registered before. I loaned it to Lufthansa for a few years and they confirmed it was theirs but could not give me any further information on it. Plan B is to have it registered in Ireland under my brothers name and drive it like that.
 
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That rebuild cost sounds about right. The other issue I face is Luxembourg won’t allow me to register it because of the APU and also because they don’t believe it’s never been registered before. I loaned it to Lufthansa for a few years and they confirmed it was theirs but could not give me any further information on it. Plan B is to have it registered in Ireland under my brothers name and drive it like that.
My experience of the Irish is that if your brother can find the right person they'll think a VW with both an air-cooled four-banger and a jet-turbine will be seen as "mighty craic" and approved. Of course in Ireland there would be two identical adjectives added to that judgement 😉
 
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While we're on the topic: anybody else thing the Ford Coyote needs to be in n+1 1955-63 F series trucks?
 
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While we're on the topic: anybody else thing the Ford Coyote needs to be in n+1 1955-63 F series trucks?


The Ford Coyote could be in anything and make it awesome! 😜

 
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My experience of the Irish is that if your brother can find the right person they'll think a VW with both an air-cooled four-banger and a jet-turbine will be seen as "mighty craic" and approved. Of course in Ireland there would be two identical adjectives added to that judgement 😉
There is a place in the next town over from my hometown in Dublin who restore VW’s. It might be worth letting them do everything including registration. I would try get the reg 60 D 707 for the aircraft it served. I will make enquirers next week.
 
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This is why you're supposed to carry a spare set of corrective lenses when flying 😁

Courtesy of Avgeekery.com via Facebook.