Speedy Tuesday: Omega’s Speedmaster Is The Perfect First Watch

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Next time you are speaking with them, ask them why they are telling you something that contradicts what Omega clearly and unequivocally states. Then let us know what they say…because if they are saying that Omega is lying to us all, it would be good to know that…
I'd have no basis since I only know what they told me; however if you can pass along any current documentation / publications I'd be happy to ask next year!
 
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They know what it is… They are just against nicknames of any sort and make these comments as a way of protest🙄

Well, I also think nicknames get taken a bit far at times, but because Rolex essentially uses the same dial with dozens of different bezels, there's some usefulness. Especially in this case, since Lunette Verte just means green bezel, and they aren't even close to the same shade.
 
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I'd have no basis since I only know what they told me; however if you can pass along any current documentation / publications I'd be happy to ask next year!
What do you mean? These aren’t secret hidden documents, they are available on Omegas web site in plain view…

https://www.omegawatches.com/en-au/customer-service/faq/using-your-omega-watch/id/70


So right there on Omegas web site, the information contradicts what you are claiming you were told.

You say they told you that 30 m meant that it couldn’t be used for swimming, but Omega clearly states it can.

You say you were told that no matter the depth rating, pushers shouldn’t be used under water, when Omega clearly says otherwise for watches rated to 300 and 600 m.

So if you want to take the word of these two watchmakers I guess that’s up to you, but it is crystal clear that they do not speak for Omega on this topic, and their opinions vary significantly to what Omega states.
 
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Impressive that Omega is testing each watch to the stated WR, but I still think @GrussGott gives good advice for watches that have left the Omega factory 1 or 2 or 3 years ago.

I am plaing it safe and dont go below 300 meters, because I have a real watch, a Seamaster!
 
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Impressive that Omega is testing each watch to the stated WR, but I still think @GrussGott gives good advice for watches that have left the Omega factory 1 or 2 or 3 years ago.

I am plaing it safe and dont go below 300 meters, because I have a real watch, a Seamaster!
If you simply follow Omega’s recommendations, you will be fine. I don’t really know why people either do not believe or do not trust what the actual watch brand tells you about this specific topic. It seems to be the one that people become somewhat irrational about, when they don’t when it comes to other technical features of the watch.

Do people really think Omega is trying to trick you into getting your watch flooded with water by giving bogus information? I cannot imagine what sort of hit a watch company’s reputation would take if they recommended people swim with watches that they know cannot handle it. It would be an absolute PR disaster…
 
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Do people really think Omega is trying to trick you into getting your watch flooded with water by giving bogus information? I cannot imagine what sort of hit a watch company’s reputation would take if they recommended people swim with watches that they know cannot handle it. It would be an absolute PR disaster…
I think it’s just private sellers, who want to avoid their responsibility with the watches as much as possible, to force buyers confusing about water resistance.

Additionally, this is in the same manner with wearing watches while playing sports. I said to people that I worn mechanical watch while playing tennis, quote Rolex’s words from their website, show them the email that I sent to Tag Heuer Customer Support, … They still call me dumb.

I dont understand …
 
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Simon and Garfunkel said it best:

“Still a man hears what he wants to hear
And disregards the rest.”
 
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You say they told you that 30 m meant that it couldn’t be used for swimming, but Omega clearly states it can.
I don't see any of that as being demonstrably different from what I wrote, so cool!
 
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(2.) 30m = "daily use" and/or can tolerate splashes from hand-washing, rain, etc but should not be submerged or used for swimming, e.g., most Swatches, some speedys, other omegas, etc
I don't see any of that as being demonstrably different from what I wrote, so cool!
Let me demonstrate…you specifically stated that it could not be used for swimming, when Omega says it can.
 
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I think it’s just private sellers, who want to avoid their responsibility with the watches as much as possible, to force buyers confusing about water resistance.

Additionally, this is in the same manner with wearing watches while playing sports. I said to people that I worn mechanical watch while playing tennis, quote Rolex’s words from their website, show them the email that I sent to Tag Heuer Customer Support, … They still call me dumb.

I dont understand …
There’s no doubt that there are any number of sources for this information that are certainly dubious. When this topic comes up there is often some chart presented that is not from a brand, but from a on line reseller, so yes these places do cause some confusion. People then parrot this on forums and spread misinformation, knowingly or not.

I try very hard to back up what I say, with clearly sourced text from the brand, testing that I’ve done personally on watches to prove these things, but it seems all of it can be easily rebutted because someone talked to some guy…

In all the training I’ve received from Omega, there’s never been the kind of warnings that are often stated as gospel by people on the internet, including in this thread. How the watchmakers that GrussGott spoke with came to have the opinions that they do is a mystery, and I suspect it will remain as such.
 
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The 126610LV (Lunette Verte) is often called the Starbucks, the earlier 16610LV often called the Kermit. Despite both being "LV" the two refs do NOT share the same colored bezel. Both have black dials (image taken from monochrome)

I think it's an aficionados thing.
 
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Just an unpopular tidbit I always feel duty-bound to mention: confusingly "depth rating" has little to do with depth, rather it's more about pressure & immersion, and it has a LOT of caveats even for dive watches.

As background, I spoke with 2 different Omega watchmakers about this, 1 in Zurich who trained & worked at HQ in Biel for 10 years, another whose been working in Biel for a few decades. (I've also spoken with Sinn staff, et al)

All have said nearly the same thing, assuming great condition / recently serviced, ie good gaskets:

(1.) Pushers & crown. No matter the rating, don't operate the pushers or crown underwater and, ideally, not until you're certain the watch is dry

(2.) 30m = "daily use" and/or can tolerate splashes from hand-washing, rain, etc but should not be submerged or used for swimming, e.g., most Swatches, some speedys, other omegas, etc

(3.) 50m = "daily use & light swimming"; this is where the pressure becomes important because all kinds of daily activities can create water pressure: showering, faucet sprayer, diving e.g., diving board, surfing, water skiing, hot tub jets, pressure washers, water guns, etc etc. The Omega guys said the Speedy's "50M" rating is better than most others, and speedys can likely be used for pool swimming (ie laps) with no problems but everyone said the same thing: (3.a.) it'd be dumb to wear it scuba diving or during any water sports like surfing, (3.b) they'd personally take it off if there's anything that makes water pressure, and (3.c) if you use it for swimming or routine submersion, especially chlorine or salt, get the gaskets replaced yearly. (see #5 below)

(4.) 100M = "more margin than 50m"

(5.) Any rating. If you use any Omega watch for swimming, and especially water sports, take it in to an OB yearly for free* testing where it'll also have the gaskets inspected & replaced if needed (*though this is what the Swiss guys said and I can't say they speak for all OBs)
The moonwatch 50 meters, the mantra. Service, service, service and a nato for enjoyment.
 
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Simon and Garfunkel said it best:

“Still a man hears what he wants to hear
And disregards the rest.”
Works for American politics too… sorry, couldn’t resist.
 
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Works for American politics too… sorry, couldn’t resist.
honestly, any political system that doesn't have me as an absolutely untouchable dictator with absolute power, sucks.

(In case it wasn't obvious: tongue-in-cheek. All political systems suck)
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If you simply follow Omega’s recommendations, you will be fine. I don’t really know why people either do not believe or do not trust what the actual watch brand tells you about this specific topic. It seems to be the one that people become somewhat irrational about, when they don’t when it comes to other technical features of the watch.

Do people really think Omega is trying to trick you into getting your watch flooded with water by giving bogus information? I cannot imagine what sort of hit a watch company’s reputation would take if they recommended people swim with watches that they know cannot handle it. It would be an absolute PR disaster…
In the article itself the guy says he doesn't want a speedy because it's only got 50m water resistance and he doesn't want to take it swimming, even though he was told it's ok to do that.

This started because I said he's wrong. 50m means 50m, like you've said yourself many times.
 
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Not really.

Better than

"All political systems suck, just democracy sucks less than every other"

-Winston Churchill (paraphrased)

Edit to add: I really would make a great dictator, just ask my political opponents.
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Let me demonstrate…you specifically stated that it could not be used for swimming, when Omega says it can.
The post was to (imperfectly?) relay what 2 separate Omega HQ engineers told me 4 weeks ago about my newly purchased speedy.

If the worst case scenario is someone is overly cautious with their watch, I know I can trust you'll hold me fully accountable.
 
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The post was to (imperfectly?) relay what 2 separate Omega HQ engineers told me 4 weeks ago about my newly purchased speedy.

If the worst case scenario is someone is overly cautious with their watch, I know I can trust you'll hold me fully accountable.
I think regarding one’s watch, an owner would prefer not to be overly-cautious, or too cavalier, but have accurate information from reliable sources which allows one to make an individual decision on their behavior, and be aware of the consequences thereof.
 
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I think regarding one’s watch, an owner would prefer not to be overly-cautious, or too cavalier, but have accurate information from reliable sources which allows one to make an individual decision on their behavior, and be aware of the consequences thereof.
That's why I asked my OB's watchmaker, and then also one in Biel, and relayed what I heard from them here.