Speedmaster Tiffany dial

Paedipod · May 2, 2015

Archer
Thanks - learned a lot from this post. I appreciate you clearing up the date at which the extracts are not necessarily reliable. 👍

I always wonder why companies refuse to provide information like Tiffany does in this instance. My impression is that if you wanted verification of a Tiffany made item, they are willing to do that (based on comments made on Antique's Roadshow type programs anyway) yet for this they won't. Many of these companies market based on their heritage, but it's only talk if they don't back it up...

Cheers, Al

Lots of interesting stuff here, I was in a Tiffany's last week buying something for my daughter for her 18th birthday and they stated very clearly that it had lifetime warranty and cleaning. She is off and away to university in the fall, and the comment was that this still applies and that she can go into any Tiffany's, no papers necessary, they can and will recognize their own products and workmanship. It is jewelry not a (vintage)watch though, so I guess that different rules apply.

cicindela · May 2, 2015

TLIGuy
I'm still waiting on an extract for this one.

Very sorry to disappoint, but yours is a fake. Font wrong, script misaligned, color off.

Here is my genuine 2998. I have the original Home Depot receipt and their Abstract de Improvement.

gatorcpa · May 2, 2015

In looking at the Tiffany's website, it seems as if they treat watches as second-class jewelry.

I can understand this to a point, as Tiffany never really manufactured watch movement or cased watches. In the early days, they sourced high grade movements that were put into Tiffany made precious metal cases, probably at the movement manufacturer's Swiss factories. Later on, they just bought the whole watch and simply printed the name on the dial and possibly on a bridge inside.

I suspect that the original warranty on this piece was Omega's warranty and not Tiffany's.

As Al can certainly attest, there is a huge difference between the "cleaning" of a static piece of jewelry and a rather complicated Omega chronograph. So no lifetime warranty or cleaning for watches sold by Tiffany's.

This is not a defense of Tiffany, but simply a rationalization of possible reasons for their policy.
gatorcpa

timeismoney · May 2, 2015

doctor steel
Well ...
The post is moving to understand if the extract is good or not ... this was not my intention
I just wanted to show an original and rare Speedmaster to the vintage section Omega ... few have understood my intentions
I want to remind :
- I don't want to sell the watch
- How many original vintage warranties exist in the world combined to watches (Omega or not Omega) ? Very few ...
- I would prefer, for anyone who want, only speak about the watch (Beautiful, ugly, original, not original etc. ... I don't feel slighted)
I bought this watch (without Tiffany guarantee than 50 years ago) because I love the Speedmasters and this is very particular and rare ...
How many speedmaster ACP (though not sold by dealers), Meister etc. you saw with the original warranties?
More simply ... how many ordinary Speedmaster have you seen with original warranties? .... I really very few

Rather, look at the fonts of the dial and tell what you think about ... if you want

Hey Doctor,

I think you have a very excellent example regardless of the extra icing on the cake. As long as you look down on your wrist and it makes you smile, that is what matters. Enjoy it and thanks for sharing.

From another fellow Speedmaster lover

Paedipod · May 2, 2015

Agree that they aren't watch people but seems though that with the premium that is present they could/should say "we did this"???

watchtinker · May 2, 2015

Spacefruit
Omega extracts pre 2010 often used information provided by the watch owner.

Archer
Thanks - learned a lot from this post. I appreciate you clearing up the date at which the extracts are not necessarily reliable. 👍

I guess you overlooked my previous reply, Al.

Archer
I thought I have read here that extracts were suspect if they are older ones because Omega would let you fill in a lot of the details, and they would just regurgitate what you wrote on the extract they issued at this time. So would it not depend if the extract was issued recently or not? Just curious about this for all extracts, not just this particular one...
If my understanding is correct, do we have a cut off date for when the extracts are suspect?

watchtinker
Hi Al,
in my experience all the extracts dating before 2010 are not reliable: Omega effectively let you fill in a lot of the details. They even reissued different extracts for the same watch at different times.
Cheers,
Maurice

Archer · May 2, 2015

gatorcpa
In looking at the Tiffany's website, it seems as if they treat watches as second-class jewelry.

I can understand this to a point, as Tiffany never really manufactured watch movement or cased watches. In the early days, they sourced high grade movements that were put into Tiffany made precious metal cases, probably at the movement manufacturer's Swiss factories. Later on, they just bought the whole watch and simply printed the name on the dial and possibly on a bridge inside.

I suspect that the original warranty on this piece was Omega's warranty and not Tiffany's.

As Al can certainly attest, there is a huge difference between the "cleaning" of a static piece of jewelry and a rather complicated Omega chronograph. So no lifetime warranty or cleaning for watches sold by Tiffany's.

This is not a defense of Tiffany, but simply a rationalization of possible reasons for their policy.
gatorcpa

Well Swatch and Tiffany have a rather rocky history as well, so that might be part of the reason why Tiffany wants nothing to do with verification of a product from a brand owned by the Swatch Group...

http://www.forbes.com/sites/arielad...t-half-a-billion-dollars-to-the-swatch-group/

I don't see many, but my limited experience with modern Tiffany branded watches is that were certainly nothing special:

A mediocre design with a pretty basic 2892. Not sure if this one is actually from the time when Swatch were making these though...

And I have a friend who is a goldsmith and great jeweler, but yes he really won't even size a bracelet. He knows that watches are very different from the baubles he makes and sells.

Cheers, Al

lwong · May 2, 2015

Lovely watch. I'm pretty sure despite the number of differing views on the tiffany branding, this would go super fast if it were ever put up for sale. That in itself is reinforcement of the rarity and desirability. Heck, I'd be happy to throw in a bid, but I doubt I'd have the cash to put up.

Spacefruit
My own Tiffany dial 105.012 has unfortunately a bad ending. During one of my attempts to find alternatives to STS the dial was lost. Lost! Being asia I assumed it had been stolen, but I am now satisfied it was not. The workshop bought me a very good vintage original 105.012 dial on which they offered to print Tiffany. I obtained an extract from Omega, and while the watch is confirmed delivered to USA there was no mention of Tiffany.

So I declined the offer, and the watch was reassembled as a standard 105.012.

There is more to that story....

You sent an entire watch for servicing and the dial alone got "lost"...? Curious why you were sure it wasn't lifted?

oddboy · May 2, 2015

Spacefruit
There is more to that story....

........and?.........

Interstatetime · May 2, 2015

The Tiffany signature appears slightly off parallel with the main signature and the application is not of the same quality as the Omega signature. I would be that the Tiffany was added later. Does this mean that the watch was not retailed by Tiffany? Maybe not....maybe so.

JohnCote

threeputtbogey · May 2, 2015

Drool!!!! 🤪

Fost · May 2, 2015

For me there is no doubt it is a good Tiffany signed dial. How and when those dial where printed with Tiffany , i don t know but that is not themost important.

It is always a pleasure to see your amazing speedmasters Dr Steel! Please continue to share your collection with us 😀

RawArcher · May 2, 2015

Fost
For me there is no doubt it is a good Tiffany signed dial. How and when those dial where printed with Tiffany , i don t know but that is not themost important.

It is always a pleasure to see your amazing speedmasters Dr Steel! Please continue to share your collection with us 😀

.........and.....please Dr Steel.....never change your avatar!

doctor steel · May 2, 2015

Thanks for reading and for the comments ...
I repeat ... look at the fonts of the dial to determine the originality...... forget about the extract
For example, many chronographs Longines have written retorts, the counters decentralized and it is synonymous with originality ... not the other way ...I never will buy a 13ZN without counters decentralized

TLIGuy
I'm still waiting on an extract for this one.

cicindela
Very sorry to disappoint, but yours is a fake. Font wrong, script misaligned, color off.
Here is my genuine 2998. I have the original Home Depot receipt and their Abstract de Improvement.

......
Beautiful and rare your dials ... but maybe my Tiffany dial is more rare
I'll be envious?

travisrock · May 2, 2015

beautiful. simply beautiful. I think in my internet travels I've seen one other photo of this dial before, are they that rare? does anyone have some statistics?

E-diddy · May 2, 2015

entertaining and educational thread, guys. I personally would not buy a Tiffany speedy because I'm skeptical of their authenticity. However, I am envious of you owners because I know they will sell at a premium.

lwong · May 6, 2015

Saw this in the vintage watches fb group today. Different font obviously, but similar slanted print - arguably worse in this case given the cleanliness of the paul newman dial.

E-diddy · May 6, 2015

Interrsting. Not sure I would be comfortable looking at and paying for slanted print on a PN. Looks unprofessional imho.

michael e · May 6, 2015

I would gleefully bet my left or right testicle that Tiffany dials on speedmasters and other Omega/Rolex watches are correct, not all of them of course due to fakers trying to up the value, it is a shame that original Tiffany dials get so much suspicion but that is expected.
Not the size but the font, lettering, and the slight slant of the print on my pie pan is the same as the OPs, this watch is 14k gold and has the OXG American import stamp on the balance cock too.
I wonder if all or most Tiffany dialled Omega watches are OXG marked or equivalent for each manufacturer?
Cheers Michael

doctor steel · May 6, 2015

michael e
I would gleefully bet my left or right testicle that Tiffany dials on speedmasters and other Omega/Rolex watches are correct, not all of them of course due to fakers trying to up the value, it is a shame that original Tiffany dials get so much suspicion but that is expected.
Not the size but the font, lettering, and the slight slant of the print on my pie pan is the same as the OPs, this watch is 14k gold and has the OXG American import stamp on the balance cock too.
I wonder if all or most Tiffany dialled Omega watches are OXG marked or equivalent for each manufacturer?
Cheers Michael

I like your answer ...

For anyone who has doubts:
How many original Tiffany, Meister, Serpico & Laino, Joyeria Ricciardi, etc. dials have you seen with the original warranty ??? I've seen very little ...... I'm not so lucky
If such watches are rated fakes only because without a warranty and because the inscription is crooked is over ......
Look at pics of original Tiffany dials and you will see that several times the written are crooked

Alfredo

Speedmaster Tiffany dial

Paedipod

cicindela

gatorcpa

timeismoney

Paedipod

watchtinker

Archer

lwong

oddboy

Interstatetime

threeputtbogey

Fost

RawArcher

doctor steel

travisrock

E-diddy

lwong

E-diddy

michael e

doctor steel

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