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billyblue
·William, is the Tiffany on yours printed using the same font as this one?
Am I correct in assuming these dials were printed during production and not after delivery?
Speedmaster Tiffany dial
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watchtinker
·But ... what do you think about this Tiffany dial ? I'm sure it's good ... your thinking ?
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calalum
·Would love to see one with papers from Tiffany given at the time of the sale.
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Eric_navi
·In the last picture of the first thread (close-up shot on the dial) it seems that the Tiffany is not perfectly parallel to the professional script. So could be printed afterwards.
I would expect, when a batch of watches was ordered by a third party company to be co-branded, the manufacturer would pull out the number of dials needed, which were already manufactured, and then print Tiffany & Co on the dial on each of them. If it were a fraction of a millimeter off it would not make me question its authenticity.
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doctor steel
·I have seen a few Tiffany dials and I am pretty sure that this is legit.
Would love to see one with papers from Tiffany given at the time of the sale.
Well, watchtinker, I'm sure too ... 😉
@ Calalum I would also like but it's not so simple ...
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SwissZ
·About 1 or 2 years ago I tried getting a EOA at the Museum in Bienne but they had stopped all applications at the time, they were making a new system for the future EOA. My latest EOA for a SM1000 came about 6-7 months ago and it was different than before, the outer packaging is different from the EOA issued before. From talking with the folks at the museum they mentioned at the time that they would change the complete system how the extracts were pulled and made.
Talking to the folks at Omega muses would be the best way to remove any doubt.
Talking to the folks at Omega muses would be the best way to remove any doubt.
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speedy4ever
·Hello,
Very niece one and most probably real.
99% sure that "Tiffany" was not printed by Omega, but by Tiffany themselves. At least it's what Meister confirmed me for their dials. Believe me Omega does not have any info about that and thus those old extracts do not reflect what their role should be: provide info about the original configuration.
Very niece one and most probably real.
99% sure that "Tiffany" was not printed by Omega, but by Tiffany themselves. At least it's what Meister confirmed me for their dials. Believe me Omega does not have any info about that and thus those old extracts do not reflect what their role should be: provide info about the original configuration.
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Kringkily
··Omega Collector / HunterThey used to allow modification to certain fields but as of the new one they only put what they have on system onto the paper and often omit many of the fields now.
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Spacefruit
··Prolific Speedmaster HoarderI am not trying to cast aspersions on the watch, or the owner. Although it's good to see the extract, there remains an element of doubt only in that I have not seen a sales document from Tiffany for a speedmaster. I am trying to word this post carefully because I am genuinely not trying to start a fight or insult anyone's integrity. As I said before I have an interest in establishing that these dials and watches are real. (Although see below for my own personal hiccup in that department).
Here is what I know:
Omega extracts pre 2010 often used information provided by the watch owner.
If the value of a watch depends on information on a pre 2010 then I ask the seller to obtain a reissue of the extract before I buy it.
Tiffany have records, but will not divulge them.
I have yet to see a Tiffany speedmaster with a Tiffany receipt. If Tiffany dials are real, then someone somewhere must have a receipt.
The names on many Speedmasters were added after delivery by the company who retailed them.
I have seen a lot of fake Tiffany dials on rolex and Speedmasters, and so before buying one I would want documents from Tiffany or recent confirmation from Omega.
My own Tiffany dial 105.012 has unfortunately a bad ending. During one of my attempts to find alternatives to STS the dial was lost. Lost! Being asia I assumed it had been stolen, but I am now satisfied it was not. The workshop bought me a very good vintage original 105.012 dial on which they offered to print Tiffany. I obtained an extract from Omega, and while the watch is confirmed delivered to USA there was no mention of Tiffany.
So I declined the offer, and the watch was reassembled as a standard 105.012.
There is more to that story....
Here is what I know:
Omega extracts pre 2010 often used information provided by the watch owner.
If the value of a watch depends on information on a pre 2010 then I ask the seller to obtain a reissue of the extract before I buy it.
Tiffany have records, but will not divulge them.
I have yet to see a Tiffany speedmaster with a Tiffany receipt. If Tiffany dials are real, then someone somewhere must have a receipt.
The names on many Speedmasters were added after delivery by the company who retailed them.
I have seen a lot of fake Tiffany dials on rolex and Speedmasters, and so before buying one I would want documents from Tiffany or recent confirmation from Omega.
My own Tiffany dial 105.012 has unfortunately a bad ending. During one of my attempts to find alternatives to STS the dial was lost. Lost! Being asia I assumed it had been stolen, but I am now satisfied it was not. The workshop bought me a very good vintage original 105.012 dial on which they offered to print Tiffany. I obtained an extract from Omega, and while the watch is confirmed delivered to USA there was no mention of Tiffany.
So I declined the offer, and the watch was reassembled as a standard 105.012.
There is more to that story....
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oddboy
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Darlinboy
··Pratts! Will I B******S!!!🍿
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CdnWatchDoc
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kyle L
··GrasshopperOne also sold here but with a different Tiffany font:
http://www.hqmilton.com/watches/196...69-tiffany-co.-dial-pre-moon-with-861-movemen
http://www.hqmilton.com/watches/196...69-tiffany-co.-dial-pre-moon-with-861-movemen
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Spacefruit
··Prolific Speedmaster HoarderYes - That one had no papers at all.
It was on sale in the region of $10,000 from memory.
It was on sale in the region of $10,000 from memory.
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Kringkily
··Omega Collector / Hunterwe all have our collection of unique things. I am more into the unusual and less often seen slight variations 😀
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watchyouwant
·never seen any proof of tiffany dials in the last 25 years. I would not pay a premium anyway. the shown extract does not confirm, that this is a tiffany dial. Tiffany and all other parameter of this dial is just mentioned in the dial description section of the archive, as it would be with Meister or A.C.P. and omega only states, that this speedy is delivered to the USA. and that is as it should be. for example, my Omega Flightmaster (Railmaster for the FAP) only stated delivery to Peru. omega factory did not the printing to my knowledge. but I`d love to see hard evidence to the contrary. we learn every day ! kind regards./ achim
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TLIGuy
·I'm still waiting on an extract for this one.
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watchtinker
·I have yet to see a Tiffany speedmaster with a Tiffany receipt. If Tiffany dials are real, then someone somewhere must have a receipt.
My reason is that there has been a time (70s-80s) when these watches were worth no more than a few hundred bucks at most and no one considered them particularly desirable. As a consequence, I doubt that at the time there were many fakes around and the font of the specimen in this thread looks to me very similar to the ones I have seen and therefore I judge it original. However, bear in mind that it is also likely that the Tiffany signature was originally applied on a normal factory dial, as it was customary in the Sixties by a few ADs.
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doctor steel
·Well ...
The post is moving to understand if the extract is good or not ... this was not my intention
I just wanted to show an original and rare Speedmaster to the vintage section Omega ... few have understood my intentions
I want to remind :
- I don't want to sell the watch
- How many original vintage warranties exist in the world combined to watches (Omega or not Omega) ? Very few ...
- I would prefer, for anyone who want, only speak about the watch (Beautiful, ugly, original, not original etc. ... I don't feel slighted)
I bought this watch (without Tiffany guarantee than 50 years ago) because I love the Speedmasters and this is very particular and rare ...
How many speedmaster ACP (though not sold by dealers), Meister etc. you saw with the original warranties?
More simply ... how many ordinary Speedmaster have you seen with original warranties? .... I really very few
Rather, look at the fonts of the dial and tell what you think about ... if you want
The post is moving to understand if the extract is good or not ... this was not my intention
I just wanted to show an original and rare Speedmaster to the vintage section Omega ... few have understood my intentions
I want to remind :
- I don't want to sell the watch
- How many original vintage warranties exist in the world combined to watches (Omega or not Omega) ? Very few ...
- I would prefer, for anyone who want, only speak about the watch (Beautiful, ugly, original, not original etc. ... I don't feel slighted)
I bought this watch (without Tiffany guarantee than 50 years ago) because I love the Speedmasters and this is very particular and rare ...
How many speedmaster ACP (though not sold by dealers), Meister etc. you saw with the original warranties?
More simply ... how many ordinary Speedmaster have you seen with original warranties? .... I really very few
Rather, look at the fonts of the dial and tell what you think about ... if you want
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Archer
··Omega Qualified WatchmakerI am not trying to cast aspersions on the watch, or the owner. Although it's good to see the extract, there remains an element of doubt only in that I have not seen a sales document from Tiffany for a speedmaster. I am trying to word this post carefully because I am genuinely not trying to start a fight or insult anyone's integrity. As I said before I have an interest in establishing that these dials and watches are real. (Although see below for my own personal hiccup in that department).
Here is what I know:
Omega extracts pre 2010 often used information provided by the watch owner.
If the value of a watch depends on information on a pre 2010 then I ask the seller to obtain a reissue of the extract before I buy it.
Tiffany have records, but will not divulge them.
I have yet to see a Tiffany speedmaster with a Tiffany receipt. If Tiffany dials are real, then someone somewhere must have a receipt.
The names on many Speedmasters were added after delivery by the company who retailed them.
I have seen a lot of fake Tiffany dials on rolex and Speedmasters, and so before buying one I would want documents from Tiffany or recent confirmation from Omega.
My own Tiffany dial 105.012 has unfortunately a bad ending. During one of my attempts to find alternatives to STS the dial was lost. Lost! Being asia I assumed it had been stolen, but I am now satisfied it was not. The workshop bought me a very good vintage original 105.012 dial on which they offered to print Tiffany. I obtained an extract from Omega, and while the watch is confirmed delivered to USA there was no mention of Tiffany.
So I declined the offer, and the watch was reassembled as a standard 105.012.
There is more to that story....
Thanks - learned a lot from this post. I appreciate you clearing up the date at which the extracts are not necessarily reliable. 👍
I always wonder why companies refuse to provide information like Tiffany does in this instance. My impression is that if you wanted verification of a Tiffany made item, they are willing to do that (based on comments made on Antique's Roadshow type programs anyway) yet for this they won't. Many of these companies market based on their heritage, but it's only talk if they don't back it up...
Cheers, Al
