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Love all of these. Total 1970's cool😀😀😀
cwells3290 cwells3290
My Speedmaster Mark II I purchased a few months back. I am trying to determine if the bracelet is original to the watch. The movement dates the watch to 1969 with serial number 28422xxx. The bracelet is a model 1162 and I know the early models came with an 1159 bracelet. Mine does have the older style clasp that has the beveled edges. Just wanted to know if anyone else has this same combination of early year watch and bracelet.

I recently acquired a Mark II with a serial number in the range of 316XXXXX, and it has the same, pressed logo clasp. It appears to have the 1162 bracelet with 173 end links, but the folding part of the claps was spurious.

Also, someone had done a terrible polishing job on the clasp and a lot of the definition of the logo was lost.

Still, I am glad I have the original clasp, even if I have temporarily put it back on a NOS etched logo clasp.
 
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cwells3290 cwells3290
My Speedmaster Mark II I purchased a few months back. I am trying to determine if the bracelet is original to the watch. The movement dates the watch to 1969 with serial number 28422xxx. The bracelet is a model 1162 and I know the early models came with an 1159 bracelet. Mine does have the older style clasp that has the beveled edges. Just wanted to know if anyone else has this same combination of early year watch and bracelet.

Yeah I have a 29,632xxx which could be late '69 or early '70 on a 1159 bracelet. Clasp looks pretty much like yours.
 
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Mine is 1970 serial and on a 1159 bracelet. Have had quite a few MKii on various bracelets, 1159, 1162 and 1171. Not sure when each bracelet was introduced but do like the 1159.
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Wow, that's either some uber-rare prototype or some hacked up franken...

Looking at MWO and OMEGA Racing Speedmasters - The rarest of all Racing watches (watchbooksonly.com), the dial looks to have the applied logo / OMEGA text as the A3 dial from 1958-60 (MWO 3rd ed, p86), however:

"1ST GENERATION: RED RACING SPEEDMASTERS (CALIBER 321).

THE FIRST GENERATION has been produced in 1967-1968. The dial minute scale is white and the indexes are half red and half white. The chronograph hands are white, whereas the hands for the time of day are red.

However, there are two different versions:

a) Red Racing Pre-Professional

These models do not have the Professional mention on the dial, which is with an applied metal logo, and the same typeface for the words OMEGA and Speedmaster as in the very first Speedmasters CK 2915s."

... and the serial number of the 321 movement in that Mark II would date it to early 1960s as well, so it feels like a watch that was put together...
 
chipsotoole
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A very expensive Frankenwatch I believe. Why anyone would put those specific parts together in a mark II case is a bit puzzling. It would surely fetch more in a standard speedster case and perhaps even fool folks. I'm sure others more knowledgeable will weigh in with opinions..
 
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Here in Switzerland prototypes appeare from time to time on the market, e.g. here we have an LCD Speedmaster for sale:

https://www.ricardo.ch/de/a/omega-speedmaster-alaska-iv-project-1160310224/

I do not think that this Mark ii is a prototype, the serial number of the calibre dates to 1961 (CK 2998-3 or4) - with the right case also an interesting buy.

The watch was probably assembled at the end of the 1960s by an Omega watchmaker who wanted to improve his old speedmaster. An extract of archives would be interesting...
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chipsotoole chipsotoole
A very expensive Frankenwatch I believe. Why anyone would put those specific parts together in a mark II case is a bit puzzling. It would surely fetch more in a standard speedster case and perhaps even fool folks. I'm sure others more knowledgeable will weigh in with opinions..

True, in a 145.012 case, it could be passed off as a real racing... But if it was assembled like this in the 1970s or 1980s, nobody would have known of the values 40 or 50 years later...
 
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ewand ewand
Wow, that's either some uber-rare prototype or some hacked up franken...

Looking at MWO and OMEGA Racing Speedmasters - The rarest of all Racing watches (watchbooksonly.com), the dial looks to have the applied logo / OMEGA text as the A3 dial from 1958-60 (MWO 3rd ed, p86), however:

"1ST GENERATION: RED RACING SPEEDMASTERS (CALIBER 321).

THE FIRST GENERATION has been produced in 1967-1968. The dial minute scale is white and the indexes are half red and half white. The chronograph hands are white, whereas the hands for the time of day are red.

However, there are two different versions:

a) Red Racing Pre-Professional

These models do not have the Professional mention on the dial, which is with an applied metal logo, and the same typeface for the words OMEGA and Speedmaster as in the very first Speedmasters CK 2915s."

... and the serial number of the 321 movement in that Mark II would date it to early 1960s as well, so it feels like a watch that was put together...

I've only owned the black dial MKII, but there are quite a few odd things about that racing dial - the stepped sub-dials look like those on the MkII reissue; the example posted by @Tonyash shows the correct 'flat' sub dials; the tachymeter looks damaged and worn and is misaligned; and the writing on speedmaster doesn't look right.
 
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tikkathree tikkathree
Mark II love you say?
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i didn’t realize that the gold version had radial dial! So very very nice!
 
Ascalon
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I've been buying some cheap, pattern bracelets to see what suits my Mark II best.
I like having the original 1162, but I'm not mad about its convex taper, as opposed to the more concave taper of other bracelet styles.

I like the engineer type, but might go for an Uncle Seiko president style, with some adapted straight end links.

Has anyone else got some inspiration for alternative bracelets? Omega, or otherwise?
 
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ewand ewand
True, in a 145.012 case, it could be passed off as a real racing... But if it was assembled like this in the 1970s or 1980s, nobody would have known of the values 40 or 50 years later...

So maybe not done with future values in mind; done with "let's make a fun custom watch" in mind?
 
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Ascalon Ascalon
I've been buying some cheap, pattern bracelets to see what suits my Mark II best.
I like having the original 1162, but I'm not mad about its convex taper, as opposed to the more concave taper of other bracelet styles.

I like the engineer type, but might go for an Uncle Seiko president style, with some adapted straight end links.

Has anyone else got some inspiration for alternative bracelets? Omega, or otherwise?


Hi,

the MK II also came on the 1159/154 and the Omega Holzer Jubilee.

Kind regards Max
 
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Ascalon Ascalon
I've been buying some cheap, pattern bracelets to see what suits my Mark II best.
I like having the original 1162, but I'm not mad about its convex taper, as opposed to the more concave taper of other bracelet styles.

I like the engineer type, but might go for an Uncle Seiko president style, with some adapted straight end links.

Has anyone else got some inspiration for alternative bracelets? Omega, or otherwise?

I tried various leather straps, including rally type, but I personally think nothing beats the original bracelet - the lack of lugs and large tonneau case look more integrated with the bracelet.
 
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I think I have seen somewhere on OF a Mark II with the new Forstner Komfit, that might be also an option
 
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ewand ewand
Wow, that's either some uber-rare prototype or some hacked up franken...

Looking at MWO and OMEGA Racing Speedmasters - The rarest of all Racing watches (watchbooksonly.com), the dial looks to have the applied logo / OMEGA text as the A3 dial from 1958-60 (MWO 3rd ed, p86), however:

"1ST GENERATION: RED RACING SPEEDMASTERS (CALIBER 321).

THE FIRST GENERATION has been produced in 1967-1968. The dial minute scale is white and the indexes are half red and half white. The chronograph hands are white, whereas the hands for the time of day are red.

However, there are two different versions:

a) Red Racing Pre-Professional

These models do not have the Professional mention on the dial, which is with an applied metal logo, and the same typeface for the words OMEGA and Speedmaster as in the very first Speedmasters CK 2915s."

... and the serial number of the 321 movement in that Mark II would date it to early 1960s as well, so it feels like a watch that was put together...

You can read a bit more about it (and how it ended up) here...
 
Ascalon
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The president style bracelet I ordered arrived.
For €20, it's not bad at all. I gave it a rub of some scotchbrite and it is looking and feeling very smooth.

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I like it.
 
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