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  1. Spacefruit Prolific Speedmaster Hoarder Feb 17, 2017

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    Well I have not seen an hour hand like that.

    I thought lollipops were on later 2998's but that's not based on solid evidence, just observation and hearsay. Not that I care! (It's a lollipop)
     
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  2. bazamu wincer, not a bidder Feb 17, 2017

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    Wait, so is the cell phone photo from when he found the watch "in the wild?" If so, that's truly a once-in-a-lifetime find. Can't believe he's selling it!
     
  3. donkii Feb 17, 2017

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    My friend found the person that had it and I'm pretty sure he didn't really know what he had until they met. There and then the photo was taken or something like that. I've known about this watch for some months but couldnt post anything about it until it was officially up for auction.

    I don't have the full story here but somewhere along the way I think the advice he got was to put it up for sale at an auction.
     
  4. bazamu wincer, not a bidder Feb 17, 2017

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    Very interesting, so your friend never even took ownership of the 2998? Hopefully he takes a light commission for pointing the gent in the right direction!
     
  5. Psych Feb 17, 2017

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    There's also a 2998-4 and 105.012 in the auction. Were these part of a collection with the OP watch?
     
  6. Inox Feb 17, 2017

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    Same long lume hour hand top right on page 251 MWO. (Not sure if it's ok to post a photo of it)
    It's also on a lollipop 2998-1
     
  7. watchlovr Feb 17, 2017

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    Also have a look at the minute hand lume, nearest the outer edge, does it seem closer to one edge than the other, ie off centre? (at the end of the hand not the centre post)
     
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  8. oddboy Zero to Grail+2998 In Six Months Feb 17, 2017

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    It's like a smorgasbord of desirable parts!
     
  9. donkii Feb 17, 2017

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    Nope, not enough money to buy it :(

    Dont know about that. I hope he doesnt claim any commission, its nice to help out sometimes ;)
     
  10. t_swiss_t Feb 17, 2017

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    I think his beneficence will come back to reward him in the end... least of all because I'm doing the same thing with a non-Omega grail now and hope that I'll be forwarded some karma points too.

    Wonderful find, it is an interesting mash of parts ... but it's hard to argue with a one-owner watch and parts so near enough in the timeline. I think it would be more of a stretch to suspect something cobbled together if the guy didn't even know the value beforehand.
     
  11. semper_shells Feb 17, 2017

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    Guess I'm buying it...you think they can make change?
    [​IMG]
     
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  12. wsfarrell Feb 17, 2017

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    You think there will BE change?
     
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  13. Screwbacks Feb 18, 2017

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    oh please stop guessing at $80k
     
  14. watchlovr Feb 18, 2017

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    Why?
     
  15. Screwbacks Feb 18, 2017

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    Just kidding. such a beautiful 321. im not bidding anyhow. Realistically $100k is a possibility.
     
  16. nygiants Feb 18, 2017

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    I say 100k
     
  17. watchlovr Feb 18, 2017

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    Auction is in Sweden, 100k Kr is around £9kGBP, I don't think that is likely really.
     
  18. MTROIS Feb 18, 2017

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    Auction is global... and it is pretty smart for the seller and his associates to publicize it on forums such as this one. Visibility will lead to more competition amongst bidders..... which will drive price.

    In the end, this is what happened with the Speedmaster 50th anniversary Christies auction....
     
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  19. Beepos Feb 18, 2017

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    Think he meant 100k USD
     
  20. Spacefruit Prolific Speedmaster Hoarder Feb 18, 2017

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    100k buys you a lot of Speedmaster, even today.

    Recent Christies auction saw a 2915-3 sell for about $80,000 and in my opinion was more attractive than this. So far an original 2998-1 with the BASE1000 bezel has not gone past $50k at auction, although I am expecting one to exceed that this year at auction even if its not this one. (Disregarding browns which have gone to around 70k for an absolutely exceptional example).

    There are several brown dialed 2998's on offer at around $70,000 if you know where to look. None have sold so that should tell you something.

    While those who are not buyers think there is a herd of uninformed potential Speedmaster buyers waiting to pounce on things like this, the reality is that for these really rare air items, the buyers can be counted and are probably less than a dozen. These buyers do not spend 100k with their eyes shut. Hell they don't spend 10k with their eyes shut. That's why they have the 100k in the first place.

    They will go into combat, however, when something is truly special.

    The question is, does this watch tick all the attraction boxes, as well as being 100% accepted as correct?

    Lets look at the as found photo:

    1-2998 danish.jpg

    The first thing that strikes me is that this is potentially an amazing rare watch:
    Triangle lume hands
    Correct small indices dial
    Lollipop hand
    BASE1000 bezel.

    What I do not like from this photo is the shape of the hour hand and its lume, the colour of the lollipop and the colour of the subdial hands. There appears to be a mark on the dial at 2 o'clock and this could be the crystal - but we need to clarify. If its on the dial then you can cut the value in half.

    Lets look closer at the hand from the as found photo:

    1-2999.jpg
    I have not been able to find a comparable hand to this on a 2998. Could it be a 2915-3 hand?
    Here is a 2915-3 hand:
    1-P3020003-006.jpg

    So no, It is not like this one.

    So I examined the two side by side.

    1-2998 danish 5.jpg
    1-2999.jpg

    Is it the same hand? After too much time looking at it I think it is. The edges of the metal are not showing in the as found photo, but if you look carefully they are wider than first observed, and so while at first I thought the lume was too big for the hand, now I do not think that there is anything wrong.

    I am willing to accept the as found photo was not under ideal conditions and so may be inaccurate due to lighting or something. The hand above is acceptable.

    Lollipops really float my boat, I want a watch when I see the lollipop. I know very little about them, and I have seen them on 2915's all the way through the 2998's. Are they correct? I don't know. The famous "Danish 2998 site" proposed that only 2998-4 should have a lollipop from new. Personally if it is on a four digit reference I'll take it, even if some might say its not original, I would say it is contemporary.

    So lets look at this lollipop. The colour is very white and so is the lume. in fact the sub dial hands are also very white and new looking. However I think they are acceptable to me.

    So again lets reproduce the auction photo:
    1-2998 danish 5.jpg
    It looks so much better here.
    Lume looks good, the lollipop looks a better colour and even the subdial hands look more in keeping.
    Without the as found shot, I think this is a good watch.
    Subject of course to checking the dial is clean.

    All of this is only my opinion, there are others who know more, I only observe, and collate from previously observed watches.

    To sumarize, if this hits more than $60,000, then it is setting new highs. Which it may well do.

    EDIT: If i had to make a guess and a prediction, this watch will sell for $40,000 - $60,000 to a dealer.
    The reason being it doesnt have the almost indefinable attraction that will bring in the private buyers to fight over it.
     
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