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Patrick, We all love a tryer here but you really should try to curb your tendency of opening your mouth before engaging your brain.

You have half a point. On grey issues I need to learn some diplomacy, but all members can learn restraint. My actions regarding the OP had good intentions but the R word may of been used to quickly and not appropriately here. After witnessing the R word being used so freely during my first few weeks on the forum I had some bad examples shown to me. Maybe the new and old members can learn to be a bit more tolerant of each other.
 
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Maybe the new and old members can learn to be a bit more tolerant of each other.
You're probably right on that point.

But in this case, it's more about how messages are delivered than what the message is actually saying. There's a very human tendency to "get in someone's face" when they have gotten into yours.

That's the behavior that needs to be restrained on both sides. Otherwise, it gets out of control and we wind up here.
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gatorcpa gatorcpa
You're probably right on that point.

But in this case, it's more about how messages are delivered than what the message is actually saying. There's a very human tendency to "get in someone's face" when they have gotten into yours.

That's the behavior that needs to be restrained on both sides. Otherwise, it gets out of control and we wind up here.
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I agree on being tolerant generally etc. However, when a member (me) is so rudely attacked by another member and I have not provoked it, I am not just going to take it. If someone comes up to you in the street and punches you in the face 100% you will not stand there and take it. I have sent the member a PM telling him what I thought of his full on attack on me today.
 
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As a newbie, I already see a pattern to many threads here. Someone posts a picture of a vintage watch with an unusual but magnificent dial. Someone else suggests it is or may be a redial. I follow along carefully, because I'd love to know what company did this great redial. But by the end of the thread, all are agreed that the dial is original. 😀
 
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To the OP, great watch! I'd get it cleaned and serviced and wear it proudly 👍
 
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gatorcpa gatorcpa
You're probably right on that point.

But in this case, it's more about how messages are delivered than what the message is actually saying. There's a very human tendency to "get in someone's face" when they have gotten into yours.

That's the behavior that needs to be restrained on both sides. Otherwise, it gets out of control and we wind up here.
gatorcpa

New and old members being tolerant of each other is in regards to general interactions on the forum. Today I was attacked and had no choice to retaliate. I have no regret in defending myself in regards to the other respected forum member.
 
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Not at all getting into the argument above or talking about anyone participating in it. On a general note - I do believe "redial" is shouted a little early many times. One should be vary of dial variations that are not commonly seen but as someone wrote - watches are made for different markets and regions. AND watch companies make mistakes. AND there actually are prototypes floating around, AND etc., etc.

I judge dials by the crispness of the printing, symmetry, fonts, serifs, etc. If it/that looks good I continue with the overall look and originality of the rest of the watch/parts. And in the end I also a make an assumption of the likelihood of someone going thru the trouble of making a redial for that particular watch/reference. AND/OR the likelihood of it being counterfeit in the setting of how I find the dial/part/watch.

I take this dial as an example. I found it together with a big lot of Universal Geneve parts. The lot was so big and so diversified that I strongly believe it to be a genuine prototype dial. But I will never be able to prove it. Why would one counterfeit dial be slipped into a large lot of genuine parts? Why make a dial totally different from the "normal"? Who would gain from it? Probability together with correct patina and print = buy. Which is what I did. Still I have no watch to put it in - neither the "normal" one nor the unique one. If I would put it in a watch it would never be kosher to some. Others would not like the fact it is not correct for the watch even if it is correct in it self.

I would love and cherish it. And the same goes for the OP watch.

A small wish from me to all on OF - do not mention redial if not absolutely sure it is and have good arguments for it.

Example of what I am talking about:

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Edit and PS - I used the word "originality" meaning to say something being in its original state. Is that correct? Or is the meaning of that word something totally different?
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I agree on being tolerant generally etc. However, when a member (me) is so rudely attacked by another member and I have not provoked it, I am not just going to take it. If someone comes up to you in the street and punches you in the face 100% you will not stand there and take it. I have sent the member a PM telling him what I thought of his full on attack on me today.
Sending PM's telling people what you think of them just shows how immature you are .
You have already insulted one of the most respected members on the forum by calling him an arrogant wind-up merchant, so why not carry on in public?
 
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Sending PM's telling people what you think of them just shows how immature you are .
You have already insulted one of the most respected members on the forum by calling him an arrogant wind-up merchant, so why not carry on in public?

I defend myself in private and public when attacked. Why should I just take it? Anyone would do the same, what has it got to do with you? Are you expecting an entertaining evening? Maybe there is no fun for you at home? They are some very nice people here and some others roam around in gangs to attack people as they have nothing better to do. Surprise, surprise AC106 has liked DTM comment, its the grey market thread guys wow you guys are something else. More gang members will show up soon, lovely. What happened today has been blown out of all proportion it is pathetic and a bad advert for the forum, I suggest you people stop the ::stirthepot:: it is bad for the forum.
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What I have observed on the OF several times:

Noobs with little knowledge comment on watches, dials, etc. making "definite statements" and often are wrong.

Some of them seem to write comments in order to reach the 200 score, not to make a usable contribution to the thread.

I am often tempted to comment on originality of a watch/ dial etc. but I hold off if I am not 100% sure - I comment only on stuff I know for sure.

I would appreciate if forum members would try to handle it a similar way.
 
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Hey Patrick
I think you have to let it go mate
You might not realise it but the more you bite the more the guys will wind you up
One of the features of a forum predominantly populated by ' grumpy old men' ( of whatever age)
Everyone's opinion matters here but is open to reply ( and sometimes that can be a little blunt or even harsh at times)
Turn the other cheek and just enjoy the forum for what it is
 
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I am often tempted to comment on originality of a watch/ dial etc. but I hold off if I am not 100% sure - I comment only on stuff I know for sure.

I would appreciate if forum members would try to handle it a similar way.
Agreed. Remember, that the only rule about vintage Omega is that there are no rules.
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Hey Patrick
I think you have to let it go mate
You might not realise it but the more you bite the more the guys will wind you up
One of the features of a forum predominantly populated by ' grumpy old men' ( of whatever age)
Everyone's opinion matters here but is open to reply ( and sometimes that can be a little blunt or even harsh at times)
Turn the other cheek and just enjoy the forum for what it is

Thank you for your nice words. Problem is it is hard to turn the other check when someone is attacking you. The guilty are aware of this and it drives them. The joke is on them, as other members although diplomatic can see through the BS.
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gatorcpa gatorcpa
Agreed. Remember, that the only rule about vintage Omega is that there are no rules.
gatorcpa

I overrule you... 😉 - vintage Universal has even less rules than for Omega.
 
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It's not a re-dial. The f300's often came with slightly different dials, with the wording in different positions and . The first versions only said "f300" and omitted the Seamaster or Constellation writing. Some had the "Omega" applied as well, in different places. Yours would be called Constellation later. Here'a later steel version I used to own:
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BTW, "OM" at the bottom of the dial means that the dial it self is also gold. This was only used on the solid gold case watches.

it looks like the case is very good, not re-finished or worn too much. Remove the bracelet immediately, it'll eat the lugs! Put it on a nice leather strap, apply some polywatch on the crystal and enjoy it.
 
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Are you referring to the image labeled BA1980003?

I regret that I have no concrete background information on this watch. It might have been a gift. However, if my father bought it, there would be a reasonable possibility that he purchased it while he was stationed at several countries in Europe. I'm not sure when we moved back to the U.S. (I was in college and the folks were still in Germany). Possibly as early as 1972.

Thank you,
Richard

Hey Richard,

I had this model, in Stainless Steel, with this dial variant (but silver)... Looks so cool in Gold!

Ignore the redial comments... There's a lot of variety in f300 dials, and the period catalogues show very little of it.

Looks like you have a lovely watch there, enjoy it!
 
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Patrick you have had several walk away points. Please take one.
 
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Patrick you have had several walk away points. Please take one.

What do you mean? Walk away from the thread? The members that hate my guts will find another opportunity someplace else, as bullies often do. I had the best of intentions on this thread if the others did not ::stirthepot:: none of this would of happened. They will do it again in another thread. Maybe they should take a walk away point.
 
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styggpyggeno1 styggpyggeno1
I judge dials by the crispness of the printing, symmetry, fonts, serifs, etc. If it/that looks good I continue with the overall look and originality of the rest of the watch/parts. And in the end I also a make an assumption of the likelihood of someone going thru the trouble of making a redial for that particular watch/reference.

Edit and PS - I used the word "originality" meaning to say something being in its original state. Is that correct? Or is the meaning of that word something totally different?

This is sound advice and I try to follow the same logic as yourself, in particular "crispness of the printing, symmetry, fonts, serifs, etc.". As far as I can see 90℅ of redials can be identified just by the crispness. Of course, it helps that I usually let someone else make the call first🙄

I'm no English Professor but it is my first language. You can use originality in that way although I suspect not many people do. This is because you can use "original" in two ways:

Einstein had an original thought when he came up with the theory of relativity as no-one had thought of that before.
That dial is original to the f300 as Omega fitted that dial when the watch was first made.

I would usually use it in the first instance. Anyway, I learnt English at an early age from my mother who had a terrible education so, I'm happy to be corrected!

Cheers, Chris
 
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The members that hate my guts...
I think you have become a bit too involved in this. I've never seen anything you've written that would make me "hate you" but, of course, I don't read every thread.😉 It just seems unlikely that you've said anything on a Watch Forum that would cause that sort of reaction especially from the Guys on here. It's difficult when you feel hard done by but as @cicindela says, it seems best to just let it drop.

Regards, Chris

Oh, here's a quick picture of my one f300 for me to finish with. To the OP, looks a nice watch and the humming is very cool.
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