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Show us your GMT’s under $2500 USD
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Foo2rama
··Keeps his worms in a ball instead of a can.Well that’s not a diver...
But 24 hour hand with 24 hour adjustable bezel.
Do you need the 24 hour hand independent of the hour hand for 3 time zones or can the hour hand be tied to the 24 hour hand?
That Farer appears to be independent.
My suggestions are the Seiko 6117-8000 which is still under valued and can be had for under 1,000 if you hunt. These where made around 1968-70. Fixed 24 hour hand.
My next choice would be the Christopher Ward GMT. It appears to be an independent gmt hand
But 24 hour hand with 24 hour adjustable bezel.
Do you need the 24 hour hand independent of the hour hand for 3 time zones or can the hour hand be tied to the 24 hour hand?
That Farer appears to be independent.
My suggestions are the Seiko 6117-8000 which is still under valued and can be had for under 1,000 if you hunt. These where made around 1968-70. Fixed 24 hour hand.
My next choice would be the Christopher Ward GMT. It appears to be an independent gmt hand
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Foo2rama
··Keeps his worms in a ball instead of a can.Pardon, Foo2, what do you intend by “fixed 24hr hand”? Do you mean a hand (and bezel) that merely clarifies AM/PM (as with the original Explorer)?
The reason this matters, is that you can in theory set 3 times on a watch that allows the 24 hour hand to be set by itself. Main hour hand to local, 24 hour hand to GMT, and the bezel to home.
Otherwise you just get hour to local, and bezel to the 2nd time zone.
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vintage hab
·Well that’s not a diver...
But 24 hour hand with 24 hour adjustable bezel.
Do you need the 24 hour hand independent of the hour hand for 3 time zones or can the hour hand be tied to the 24 hour hand?
That Farer appears to be independent.
My suggestions are the Seiko 6117-8000 which is still under valued and can be had for under 1,000 if you hunt. These where made around 1968-70. Fixed 24 hour hand.
My next choice would be the Christopher Ward GMT. It appears to be an independent gmt hand
That is a very nice Seiko; I'll see what I can find. I'm familiar with the Trident but it does nothing for me (although I do own a CW moonphase). I just never saw a Farer like that so wanted some input. Other possibles are Certina and Oris, as well as some already shown on this thread such as Yema, Glycine and Mido.
So many watches... so little time & money 🤔
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cvalue13
·Yes, on some the 24 hand is locked to the hour hand, on some the 24 hour hand can be set independently of the hour hand.
The reason this matters, is that you can in theory set 3 times on a watch that allows the 24 hour hand to be set by itself. Main hour hand to local, 24 hour hand to GMT, and the bezel to home.
Otherwise you just get hour to local, and bezel to the 2nd time zone.
Here only in an honest attempt to work out some kinks (whether for me or you I don’t know). I’m still not 100% certain we’re taking about the same things or slog he my different variations.
A watch like the original Rolex Explorer with a slave 24hr arm as well as fixed bezel is not a GMT complication, nor is it intended to (or able) to show a second time zone. Instead, watches such as these merely and only differentiate A.M./P.M. on an otherwise 12hr dial face. For example, on such a watch, if the 12hr hand reads 1PM, the 24hr hand will always read 1300hr (by the 24hr marking on the fixed bezel).
The utility of these AM/PM clarifying watches were limited to two-ish verities.
First, in the case of the Rolex Explorer, the watch was specifically marketed to the then-burgeoning hobby of spelunking. During prolonged underground exploration, if a person had only a 12hr dial, one could in theory lose track of the time of day.
Second, at altitude and especially in space, the concepts of “day” and “night” no longer apply as the sun can “rise” and “set” dozens of times in the course of a 24hr period. So here again, were you someone otherwise burdened by the 12hr dial, you might need also a 24hr indication in order to not become disoriented about the time.
(A third-ish scenario are Polar expeditions - where once again daylight is not consistently available to resolve the ambiguities of a 12hr dial; but I have some doubts about whether such expeditions prompted watchmakers to make movements addressing the problem - but that’s a nerd tangent for another day.)
In all, whether a person used to 12hr dials were so far below ground or so far above ground (or so north/south) that daylight itself can’t resolve the ambiguities of the 12hr dial, one solution is to simply add in a 24hr dial “on top” of the 12hr dial. But in such watches, both hands describe your local/Juliette time, not any second time zone.
Another, simpler, solution would be a simple 24hr watch. (And if you add a 24hr rotating bezel to a 24hr watch, you solve both 12hr ambiguities and add a “GMT”/second time zone function.)
I’ve probably regurgitated at you things you know; forgive it, as it’s half explaining to myself as well as making sure we’re on the same page about a topic that is otherwise difficult to discuss clearly due to confusing terminology.
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Foo2rama
··Keeps his worms in a ball instead of a can.You're correct of course, the Farer is not a diver. And neither am I anymore, so I should have said waterproof for beach and swimming: 200m is more than enough. I do prefer an independent 24-hour hand. My daily is a GMT Master II, and I enjoy that functionality. But I'm getting weary of wearing it on vacation.
That is a very nice Seiko; I'll see what I can find. I'm familiar with the Trident but it does nothing for me (although I do own a CW moonphase). I just never saw a Farer like that so wanted some input. Other possibles are Certina and Oris, as well as some already shown on this thread such as Yema, Glycine and Mido.
Some many watches... so little time & money 🤔
There are good ones out there and poor ones at high prices....
Currently it’s my go to travel watch on a light brown ostrich strap.
interesting enough for a convo with any watch nerd, affordable enough you don’t have to be precious with it. I will note it’s a friction bezel, not a clock bezel. There are rumors in the dark recesses of the Seiko world you can do it with the diver version of this case but it’s not cheap and oem inserts are rare as hens teeth.
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Foo2rama
··Keeps his worms in a ball instead of a can.Here only in an honest attempt to work out some kinks (whether for me or you I don’t know). I’m still not 100% certain we’re taking about the same things or slog he my different variations.
A watch like the original Rolex Explorer with a slave 24hr arm as well as fixed bezel is not a GMT complication, nor is it intended to (or able) to show a second time zone. Instead, watches such as these merely and only differentiate A.M./P.M. on an otherwise 12hr dial face. For example, on such a watch, if the 12hr hand reads 1PM, the 24hr hand will always read 1300hr (by the 24hr marking on the fixed bezel).
The utility of these AM/PM clarifying watches were limited to two-ish verities.
First, in the case of the Rolex Explorer, the watch was specifically marketed to the then-burgeoning hobby of spelunking. During prolonged underground exploration, if a person had only a 12hr dial, one could in theory lose track of the time of day.
Second, at altitude and especially in space, the concepts of “day” and “night” no longer apply as the sun can “rise” and “set” dozens of times in the course of a 24hr period. So here again, were you someone otherwise burdened by the 12hr dial, you might need also a 24hr indication in order to not become disoriented about the time.
(A third-ish scenario are Polar expeditions - where once again daylight is not consistently available to resolve the ambiguities of a 12hr dial; but I have some doubts about whether such expeditions prompted watchmakers to make movements addressing the problem - but that’s a nerd tangent for another day.)
In all, whether a person used to 12hr dials were so far below ground or so far above ground (or so north/south) that daylight itself can’t resolve the ambiguities of the 12hr dial, one solution is to simply add in a 24hr dial “on top” of the 12hr dial. But in such watches, both hands describe your local/Juliette time, not any second time zone.
Another, simpler, solution would be a simple 24hr watch. (And if you add a 24hr rotating bezel to a 24hr watch, you solve both 12hr ambiguities and add a “GMT”/second time zone function.)
I’ve probably regurgitated at you things you know; forgive it, as it’s half explaining to myself as well as making sure we’re on the same page about a topic that is otherwise difficult to discuss clearly due to confusing terminology.
IF the watch has a rotating 24 hour bezel and fixed 24 hour hand then 2 time zones. Like an early GMT master.
the early explorer 2 had a fixed 24 hour hand and a fixed bezel and cannot do 2 time zones.
a modern GMT master II can in theory do 3 time zones.
hour hand local.
24 hand is gmt
Bezel is third time zone v
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cvalue13
·The reason this matters, is that you can in theory set 3 times on a watch that allows the 24 hour hand to be set by itself. Main hour hand to local, 24 hour hand to GMT, and the bezel to home.
Ah, I think I’ve just worked out the glitch in our communication - here are three different types of watches:
(1) Like the original Rolex Explorer, a slave 24hr hand and a fixed bezel (so, the complication only resolved the AM/PM ambiguity by in effect adding a 24hr slave dial “on top of” a 12hr dial)
(2) Like the original Rolex GMT, a slave 24hr hand (resolving for the 12hr ambiguity) but now WITH a rotating bezel (which can be re-aligned with the slave 24hr hand to provide GMT or any other second time zone)
(3) Like later Rolex GMT with non-slave 24hr hands, AND a rotating bezel: now three time zones are possible (and the AM/PM ambiguity may be solved for depending on how one utilizes the 24hr hand)
I believe earlier you may have been taking about watch types (2) or (3), but not (1)
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cvalue13
·IF the watch has a rotating 24 hour bezel and fixed 24 hour hand then 2 time zones. Like an early GMT master.
the early explorer 2 had a fixed 24 hour hand and a fixed bezel and cannot do 2 time zones.
a modern GMT master II can in theory do 3 time zones.
hour hand local.
24 hand is gmt
Bezel is third time zone v
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It's Hedley
·I love my Christopher Ward C60 Trident GMT (40mm). Quite the watch for around $1000 usd.
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abrod520
·I’m looking for a GMT diver that’s not too expensive to wear when traveling on vacation
I'd personally stay away from vintage in that situation, since it sounds like you're looking for something essentially replaceable?
I know they're not great watches, but some of the Glycine GMTs look nice, and from Drop they're fairly cheap. This one's pretty good-looking IMO:
Constantly being pinged about these for $629, which is a level at which I suppose a slightly crappy watch isn't that big a deal to me
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Snooz
·The Lorier Hyperion GMT has hardly been off my wrist since I got it last month - well made, looks great, has a soprod gmt movement that is found in watches costing far more - overall a great watch at $799....the only problem is when they are available - it isn't for long!
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abrod520
·The Lorier is a good suggestion to be sure.
Wish those hands weren't the visual equivalent of nails on a chalkboard to me though
Wish those hands weren't the visual equivalent of nails on a chalkboard to me though
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vintage hab
·The Lorier Hyperion GMT has hardly been off my wrist since I got it last month - well made, looks great, has a soprod gmt movement that is found in watches costing far more - overall a great watch at $799....the only problem is when they are available - it isn't for long!
The Steinhart Ocean is also awesome: new ones have the "batman" bezel which I love.
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JetLinks
·A couple of years ago I became pretty obsessed with all the special edition Oris watches that were coming out and decided on the GMT as a housewarming gift to myself. Great Swiss quality for the price!
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guppydriver
·A couple of years ago I became pretty obsessed with all the special edition Oris watches that were coming out and decided on the GMT as a housewarming gift to myself. Great Swiss quality for the price!
A local jeweler has this and the Big Crown Pro Pilot for about 35% off. I was convinced I wanted a jumping hour hand (Mido or Certina), but I may take the plunge depending on how they look on my wrist.
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guppydriver
·Not mine, but under consideration: Mido Ocean Star GMT, $1,190
I personally don't consider it a "real" GMT without a rotating 24-hour bezel though, but the Ocean Star that I have is really nicely made
If this had a 24 hour bezel, I would have ordered it in a New York minute. I'm pretty sure it has a powermatic 80 in it that has an actual jumping hour hand.
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80 hour power reserve. Jumping hour hand. Available in 4 color schemes. Under a grand and under consideration.
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