Retirement of the 1861 Caliber

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There is a well known/well defined word for this kind of 'information':

Ok, well the actual English discoverer of the metal named it “aluminum”.
https://diecasting.com/blog/2014/02/26/aluminum-vs-aluminium-the-etymology-of-the-um-and-ium-debate/

Then some other English scientific snobs thought that aluminum did not sound sufficiently Latin and proposed aluminium. After this, both spellings were pretty even split in both the UK and US until finally diverging formally in the early 20th Century.

“Since 1812, the spelling has been an even mix of using the “um” and “ium” endings throughout the 19th century in both the U.S. and in Britain.”

of course I’m happy to go find some more academic source if you care enough 😝
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Ok, well the actual English discoverer of the metal named it “aluminum”.
https://diecasting.com/blog/2014/02/26/aluminum-vs-aluminium-the-etymology-of-the-um-and-ium-debate/

Then some other English scientific snobs thought that aluminum did not sound sufficiently Latin and proposed aluminium. After this, both spellings were pretty even split in both the UK and US until finally diverging formally in the early 20th Century.

“Since 1812, the spelling has been an even mix of using the “um” and “ium” endings throughout the 19th century in both the U.S. and in Britain.”

of course I’m happy to go find some more academic source if you care enough 😝
The original word was actually “alumium”😗
 
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The original word was actually “alumium”😗
According to my father who works with nuclear containments, it is pronounced just "loomy" or "loomium" and I'm not sure of the spelling.
 
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Guys guys, let's all compromise and just....

on another point, I hope they make a METAS version of the 1866, it was so pretty, functional and symmetrical!
 
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Speedmaster 1861 with hesalite is Omega,s bread and butter Speedmaster.

They will bring out all the 321s, 3861s, LEs, FOISs, Ceramic DSOTMs, Racing’s that people will buy and they have.
They may bring out a 3861 to replace the sapphire sandwich and that’s all.

But until it’s released by Omega that the 1861 is getting phased out it’s all just hearsay and forum talk.

You don’t stop making the number 1 selling Speedmaster.
That would be sound logic if it weren't for the fact they clearly want to move the watch to a considerably higher price point than the bread and butter 1861 Hesalite Moonwatch commands. Only 5 years ago a basic Speedy was at like 70% of today's RRP. I can see why from Omega's POV adding sapphire front and back, a coax escapement, METAS certification and a dial AML (and step maybe) justifies adding $2-3K and brings it into line with other recent Omega releases price wise. You don't stop making your No 1, you just sprinkle it with tinsel and ramp up the price.

I personally do think the 1861 is on borrowed time, but fully agree that it ain't gone until Omega say so.
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300 million people can't spell colour or Aluminium but we try our best to tolerate it.
Ok, well the actual English discoverer of the metal named it “aluminum”.
https://diecasting.com/blog/2014/02/26/aluminum-vs-aluminium-the-etymology-of-the-um-and-ium-debate/

Then some other English scientific snobs thought that aluminum did not sound sufficiently Latin and proposed aluminium. After this, both spellings were pretty even split in both the UK and US until finally diverging formally in the early 20th Century.

“Since 1812, the spelling has been an even mix of using the “um” and “ium” endings throughout the 19th century in both the U.S. and in Britain.”

of course I’m happy to go find some more academic source if you care enough 😝
The original word was actually “alumium”😗
According to my father who works with nuclear containments, it is pronounced just "loomy" or "loomium" and I'm not sure of the spelling.

I defer to the Brits on almost everything regarding language, so @padders is correct, and a visual representation for those still struggling with this:



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I’m so happy I took the plunge on a new hesalite Speedmaster last year. The thing for me with this watch is that you basically get a brand new vintage watch! Adding sapphire front and back and ceramic moves it away from that. Adding a movement not certified by NASA ie the 3861 also makes it a NON moonwatch for me. It’s going to be very interesting how they market any replacement for the hesalite watch.

I agree with this. Almost all of my watches are vintage (except for a hesalite Speedmaster), which is about 2 years old. Great watch that has vintage feel but all new and without faux patina which I am not a fan of.
 
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Was it all a hoax then? damn.

1861 never flight qualified - 321 and 861 were. There is not much difference between 861 and 1861 as 1861 become rhodium plated in mid 90s and I belive those are the only real differences. Doesn't make a difference in my book.
 
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I agree with this. Almost all of my watches are vintage (except for a hesalite Speedmaster), which is about 2 years old. Great watch that has vintage feel but all new and without faux patina which I am not a fan of.
I can’t believe omega put Faux Patina on the Speedmaster 321 re release.

very disappointed
 
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1861 never flight qualified - 321 and 861 were. There is not much difference between 861 and 1861 as 1861 become rhodium plated in mid 90s and I belive those are the only real differences. Doesn't make a difference in my book.
Isn’t the fact that the 1861 is a plated 861 the reason NASA still use the later watch? As long as mine has a solid back and a plastic crystal it’s fine by me. The 1861 has been on space walks so We’re good 😉
 
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I can’t believe omega put Faux Patina on the Speedmaster 321 re release.

very disappointed

Yep I’m with you on this. I really like the 57 Seamaster 300 but the lume puts me right off. Same with original SM300’s. I’d rather have a watchco with working lume.
 
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I can’t believe omega put Faux Patina on the Speedmaster 321 re release.

very disappointed

There is a thread on here somewhere with original period advertisements, and it's clear from those that the lume was never pure white in the first place, and always had a rather off white and cream colour.

If you choose to consider this "faux" lume that's up to you, but it would seem to be a more accurate representation of the original lume than white would be...
 
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I can’t believe omega put Faux Patina on the Speedmaster 321 re release.

very disappointed

What color would you have preferred?
 
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Isn’t the fact that the 1861 is a plated 861 the reason NASA still use the later watch? As long as mine has a solid back and a plastic crystal it’s fine by me. The 1861 has been on space walks so We’re good 😉

Not sure about the 1861 point but think they flight qualified the Speedmaster X-33 in late 90s. I had thought that is why they hadn't done the 1861 but maybe I am wrong.
 
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I defer to the Brits on almost everything regarding language, so @padders is correct, and a visual representation for those still struggling with this:



NOT:

So in short then, GoreSheepDriverTasty vs GoreCanHoAh. Understood 👍
 
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So in short then, GoreSheepDriverTasty vs GoreCanHoAh. Understood 👍
You must be a riot at Dumb Charades! 😜
(not being facetious, it would be hilarious to watch the team tear their hair out when you knowingly call out the wrong responses to the clues/gestures)
 
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Actually I do think Mini is quite yum so that threw me for a short while.