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Request for buying a Speedmaster 145.022 69 ST

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OP, listen to what others are telling you. You don’t want this watch. Read everything on Speedmaster101.com and then everything that you can find on the 1969 reference. The Moonwatch Only book will be very helpful in this regard. Look at other examples and ask questions of other members here as you did with this watch. You don’t want your first Speedmaster purchase to be an expensive mistake.
 
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Yes, you‘re right and I try to learn. 😀

where can these pre moon be found and what is an acceptable price?
 
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Yes, you‘re right and I try to learn. 😀

where can these pre moon be found and what is an acceptable price?
The price chart on Speedmaster101.com is a good starting point. Note that the price range varies by condition and that the prices are for the watch head only (a bracelet will add to the price, possibly significantly depending upon the type of bracelet and condition). Possible places to find one are the OF private watch sales forum, eBay, Chrono24, auction houses and vintage watch dealers. TAKE YOUR TIME AND LEARN FIRST. Vintage watches are a minefield. You need to gain the knowledge to make a good selection and that doesn’t happen overnight.
 
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Thanks a lot for the help. I was close to buy it and will wait now and have a look to others.
 
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Tip from a pro: don't buy a watch with a wrong dial and think you will make it right by finding the right dial later. It does not usually end well, even if it is possible sometimes.
 
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Thanks a lot for the help. I was close to buy it and will wait now and have a look to others.

Smart. It's exciting when you decide you want a vintage Speedmaster and then find one that interests you. Very understandable. There are also sellers who know that and will put together watches hoping someone with little experience will buy it.

One of the first commandments is condition. Another is buy the seller, not just the watch. Lastly, you may not think it right now, but there are plenty of watches. Best to be patient.

And when you eventually do find your watch, you'll look back to this one and be grateful you waited.
 
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Ok, thanks to all. Last question. DO90 is not a must, right. There were also DN90 in 1969, right? Do all 1969 have the step dial?
 
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Ok, thanks to all. Last question. DO90 is not a must, right. There were also DN90 in 1969, right? Do all 1969 have the step dial?

The correct bezel depends on the serial within the -69 range. The 220 bezel may be correct for that watch since it is in the early part of the DN90 range. All -69 Speedmasters should have a step dial.
 
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Ok, thanks to all. Last question. DO90 is not a must, right. There were also DN90 in 1969, right? Do all 1969 have the step dial?

As I for some time have been on a similar hunt for a pre-moon, I understand your struggle. Some of the most Speedmaster knowledgeable people have chimed in here, Spacefruit aka Speedmaster101 is one of them. I would advise you to get comfortable with his website and furthermore his YouTube channel; Speedmaster101. Both, if studied well, will prep you with everything you need to know to make an excellent purchase the first time (and avoid the ‘newb tax’).

I wish you the best of luck!
 
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There are numerous source; eBay, auction houses, estate sale, dealers, sales forum here.

Yiu can generally pick two from the list below:
Good price
Good condition
Available now.
 
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Too bad the '71 in the private sales section is on OHPF.. that would have been a nice one. I do think it's a good moment to be in the market and I'd recommend spending a good afternoon going through the websites mentioned before.
 
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You said in your first post that new was an option and then you decided you wanted a vintage piece. In your case you might want to reconsider a new 3861 which has certain benefits, including a five year warranty and better precision, or look at the previous 1861 versions made in the last ten years or so which are available all over the place at relatively reasonable prices. You really don't want a first Speedmaster that has issues right from the start, and then it becomes a project watch. That's a total buzzkill. There is nothing wrong with new, or nearly new.
 
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Too bad the '71 in the private sales section is on OHPF.. that would have been a nice one. I do think it's a good moment to be in the market and I'd recommend spending a good afternoon going through the websites mentioned before.
As the present owner of that watch, I thank you for the compliment but a ‘71 is not a pre-moon Speedy which I believe is what the OP wants.
 
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gbesq gbesq
As the present owner of that watch, I thank you for the compliment but a ‘71 is not a pre-moon Speedy which I believe is what the OP wants.

I thought I'd read between the lines that he was open to more than just a pre-moon, but you may be right. Didn't want to confuse the topic.
 
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I thought I'd read between the lines that he was open to more than just a pre-moon, but you may be right. Didn't want to confuse the topic.
Actually, you’re right. He did say 69-74. My apologies.
 
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Hands and dial are wrong. Most likely late 70’s device replacements.
 
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Evitzee Evitzee
You said in your first post that new was an option and then you decided you wanted a vintage piece. In your case you might want to reconsider a new 3861 which has certain benefits, including a five year warranty and better precision, or look at the previous 1861 versions made in the last ten years or so which are available all over the place at relatively reasonable prices. You really don't want a first Speedmaster that has issues right from the start, and then it becomes a project watch. That's a total buzzkill. There is nothing wrong with new, or nearly new.
Right, but when I wannted a new one, I didn‘t know that the new one are not the same as around 1961. That was why I had a look for them A 321 is too exoensive and a 69 pre moon is the real Moonwatch, in my opinion.
 
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As many already mention wrong dial and hands.
The wrong dial would have been enough to run fast, especially since apparently it was not disclosed.
 
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