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@Dan S appreciate the clarification on the fair market price. Purely to explain as you asked, the "recommended starting bid" I mentioned what eBay auto recommended for the listing of the watch. As I don't have too much experience with the fair market and I have had this watch for some time sitting in a drawer I chose to list with the recommended price.

To the comment of bad form and to @Scarecrow Boat 's post, I previously posted that I was unaware that there is a custom on this thread of not posting your own listing, admitted as such, deleted my post and offered my apologies.

To the previous two postings, as someone new to the world of collecting vintage watches and who has appreciated the advice I have read / received on this forum, I will say that these comments are quite disappointing. Yes, I made a mistake and I owned up to it, but rather than explain or teach the new person (check my post count, no expert here) why this watch is damaged or even directly reach out, the low road path was chosen. Appreciate that as well.
 
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@Dan S appreciate the clarification on the fair market price. Purely to explain as you asked, the "recommended starting bid" I mentioned what eBay auto recommended for the listing of the watch. As I don't have too much experience with the fair market and I have had this watch for some time sitting in a drawer I chose to list with the recommended price.

To the comment of bad form and to @Scarecrow Boat 's post, I previously posted that I was unaware that there is a custom on this thread of not posting your own listing, admitted as such, deleted my post and offered my apologies.

To the previous two postings, as someone new to the world of collecting vintage watches and who has appreciated the advice I have read / received on this forum, I will say that these comments are quite disappointing. Yes, I made a mistake and I owned up to it, but rather than explain or teach the new person (check my post count, no expert here) why this watch is damaged or even directly reach out, the low road path was chosen. Appreciate that as well.

I see that you're desperately trying to clean up after yourself, but the victim act isn't flying with me, I'm not buying it. Honestly, you should just count yourself lucky if you're not banned from OF after twice attempting to shill your own listing. And apparently you've already been warned once. Maybe just quit while you're behind.
 
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I will say that these comments are quite disappointing.
To be honest, the only thing I find disappointing is, as Dan said, your victim act. You’ve been on the forum for 7 months and the rules are clearly laid out for all to see. It was easy to identify your first attempt to push your own listings because you said something like “I currently have two listings for sale” and another member had called publicly called you out be quoting your post. This second time around, you dropped the ownership and stated
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Vintage Wittnauer 4000 Skin Diver going off in a few hours:
It’s kinda hard to believe you didn’t know the rules when you had previously been called out and tried to be sneaky with your wording the second time.
 
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There is no desperation here, merely being accountable and putting in the effort to right my unintentional disrespect to the rules. I am in no way trying to play the victim here, I was wrong for posting the listing no argument there, just stating that it was unfortunate how the matter was handled.

Additionally, to be clear that I was never initially warned or messaged regarding the posting of my own listing, so I was unaware. As it did not see it I though it was a glitch but once I learned of the rules, I immediately deleted the posting and replied posting taking accountability to right my mistake. This forum has been a great resource and appreciated place of learning for myself as I'm sure for others, so my intent here is to treat the effort of all who have helped create this wonderful space and members with the respect deserved.

Thank you for posting the link to the sales rules, I will not be making the same mistake again.
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To be honest, the only thing I find disappointing is, as Dan said, your victim act. You’ve been on the forum for 7 months and the rules are clearly laid out for all to see. It was easy to identify your first attempt to push your own listings because you said something like “I currently have two listings for sale” and another member had called publicly called you out be quoting your post. This second time around, you dropped the ownership and stated

It’s kinda hard to believe you didn’t know the rules when you had previously been called out and tried to be sneaky with your wording the second time.
I am not aware of being previously publicly alerted until your posting today, which I truly appreciate being made aware of the wrong doing. I have looked back through the thread and cannot find anything so if there is something different shown please PM me.

To your last point, I can see how it could be taken as me trying to sneak something in, however that was not my intention at all. I honestly did not recall how I posted first, nor was I aware it even successfully posted. As admitted though, it should not have been posted.
 
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Hi all,

I haven’t posted to this thread in a while as I have been trying to avoid the temptation of eBay- I went a little crazy during lockdown. Plus it’s always feast or famine with eBay and we have been in a bit of a slump lately (I’m sure that will correct as the bargain market craters).

Although I am not a mod, nor did I start this thread, I do feel an investment in its health and well being as it’s been a great source of fun for many of us dumpster divers and compulsive shoppers.
There have been some unwritten rules to keep this thread balanced and without risk of crossing lines or ruffling feathers- and so since I have seen some posts going a bit astray- I would like to note the unspoken rules of the road that I have observed since it’s beginning that have kept it fun for all:

1) Please only post Buy It Now listings. Posting active live auctions can piss off those that have been watching an item and hoping to keep the profile low. Sometimes things slip by and the less eyes the better. Plus we don’t want to be bidding against each-other (have always wanted to yell “fire in the hole” when I am bidding on something so we don’t get into a family bidding war). Also, just because it is cheap early in the bidding doesn’t mean it will stay that way- things escalate quickly in the last 30 seconds. Buy it now auctions are fixed price (or best offer) and whomever grabs it first is the winner- or we share it with the collective like we do here.

2) Only post a listing of a watch that you would buy yourself. Don’t throw up garbage just because its cheap. If its a nice piece that you would buy if you were early in your collecting, out of synch with your current collection or you have too many similar to justify buying it- then it’s worth sharing it.

3) Please resist posting your own listings. Even though we may think our watches are a bargain, the optics suck. If another member sees your listing and posts it here, then that’s a ringing endorsement. But it’s not worth pissing in the punch bowl here just to make a sale.

4) Value is in the eye of the beholder. A good value doesn’t mean just cheap. Yes we have a love for watches that cost pocket change, but a $1k Benrus Super Compressor in nice shape is indeed a bargain and worth sharing with the collective. Don’t be afraid to post a more expensive watch if it is indeed a good value.

5) Do your homework. We may see watches we think are cool and seem cheap, but many new collectors look to this thread to get their feet wet in vintage watches. If you don’t know if it’s a redial or Franken, or what the market value of a piece should be, spend a few minutes to research it so when you post it, you can positively endorse the watch as being a good value. Posting a listing is your endorsement, so please know that newer collectors are counting on your expertise.

If I am missing anything, please chime in.
 
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Hi all,
I would like to note the unspoken rules of the road that I have observed since it’s beginning that have kept it fun for all.

If I could Like this a thousand times, I would. Thank you @JwRosenthal.
 
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“Please only post Buy It Now listings. Posting active live auctions can piss off those that have been watching an item and hoping to keep the profile low.” Best to change the title of this thread if you don't want live auctions … just sayin
 
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“Please only post Buy It Now listings. Posting active live auctions can piss off those that have been watching an item and hoping to keep the profile low.” Best to change the title of this thread if you don't want live auctions … just sayin
It was a source of ire in several other threads when members were bidding on rather rare pieces in active bidding auctions and someone yelled “hey everyone- look at this!!”. Of course eBay is a global platform and there is no such thing as a “secret” there, but I would rather not run afoul of a fellow collector who is actively bidding on a watch. BIN is out there, finders keepers. So I think those are fair game to share. But I may be in the minority think that way.
 
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“Please only post Buy It Now listings. Posting active live auctions can piss off those that have been watching an item and hoping to keep the profile low.” Best to change the title of this thread if you don't want live auctions … just sayin

Yeah, I agree that was not clear to me. I'm very sorry if I broke a rule with my recent post. I usually view the posts in the Omega eBay thread, where live auctions are frequently shares by moderators, so I (perhaps incorrectly) assumed the same practice here. I definitely get the frustration when someone shares something I was eyeing. If that's the house rule, I'll definitely observe it from now on.
 
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But I may be in the minority think that way.

If so, I'm there with you. I had the recent experience of losing an auction and shortly thereafter seeing a forum member post "Look what I just won!" I mean, there's nothing wrong with that, but it's hard to avoid feeling just a little bit envious (which, unfortunately isn't a positive feeling) and, since I was one of the bidders that pushed up the price, a little bit guilty as well.
 
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Yeah, I agree that was not clear to me. I'm very sorry if I broke a rule with my recent post. I usually view the posts in the Omega eBay thread, where live auctions are frequently shares by moderators, so I (perhaps incorrectly) assumed the same practice here. I definitely get the frustration when someone shares something I was eyeing. If that's the house rule, I'll definitely observe it from now on.
I want to reiterate- not a rule, you didn’t violate any policy. It’s just a courtesy I have noticed since this thread started and I think it really keeps it fun for all. Broadcasting a listing that one/some of us has been bidding on sucks the fun out of it as we now have to compete with our fellow brethren. Perhaps we were unknowingly, but when it’s out there is just feels wrong.

I have often likened this thread to a group of friend waking through a bazar together and pointing at watches on tables- hey look at this one, anyone want it? When we are competing against each-other, it kills the fun
 
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I want to reiterate- not a rule, you didn’t violate any policy. It’s just a courtesy I have noticed since this thread started and I think it really keeps is fun for all. Broadcasting a listing that one of us watch really executed to bud in and win just sucks the fun out of it as we now have to compete with our fellow brethren. Perhaps we were unknowingly, but when it’s out there is just feels wrong.

However, posting a link to one's own eBay listing outside of the sale forum does violate forum rules, IIRC. It's clearly stated in the bullet list in the sales rules. So it's not just a matter of bad optics, it's not allowed across OF.

Below is from the sales rules (underlining is mine):
https://omegaforums.net/threads/ple...s-rules-for-all-listings-inc-parts-wtb.54177/

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However, posting a link to one's own eBay listing outside of the sale forum does violate forum rules, IIRC.
For sure
 
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“Please only post Buy It Now listings. Posting active live auctions can piss off those that have been watching an item and hoping to keep the profile low.” Best to change the title of this thread if you don't want live auctions … just sayin
I think the part of the thread title that says “good value” takes care of this. It’s impossible to know if a watch is good value if the auction is live, but it is possible with a BIN.
 
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Once again I’m highlighting something I know nothing about but my gut feeling is this might be a good deal for the right person. Tell me if not.
It’s a Zenith Defy cal 2572pc with a few problems. Some mechanical that appear fixable, some parts issues that may be a problem to solve if the buyer feels the need to fix it.

asking price is £275, offers accepted.

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/28490338...qrq1WznTKG&var=&widget_ver=artemis&media=COPY
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Once again I’m highlighting something I know nothing about but my gut feeling is this might be a good deal for the right person. Tell me if not.
It’s a Zenith Defy cal 2572pc with a few problems. Some mechanical that appear fixable, some parts issues that may be a problem to solve if the buyer feels the need to fix it.

asking price is £275, offers accepted.

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/28490338...qrq1WznTKG&var=&widget_ver=artemis&media=COPY

It's a nice watch, especially if you can get the seller to accept a lower offer.
 
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Engee Engee
Once again I’m highlighting something I know nothing about but my gut feeling is this might be a good deal for the right person. Tell me if not.
It’s a Zenith Defy cal 2572pc with a few problems. Some mechanical that appear fixable, some parts issues that may be a problem to solve if the buyer feels the need to fix it.

asking price is £275, offers accepted.

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/28490338...qrq1WznTKG&var=&widget_ver=artemis&media=COPY

Looks like a nice watch, but I don't know... if the caseback is wrong then that is a dealbreaker for me as the chances of finding a genuine one are remote.
 
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