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missourifarmer
·Here’s inside.
Ranchero Redials 101
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pitpro
·Here’s inside.
Movement doesn't look abused.
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missourifarmer
·Awesome!! Thanks Ping me if u ever see a crown
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zebion
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Hi, the number of the movement appears reasonable. With regard to the backside I actually meant the outer side ;-) Quite often this is polished heavily. In original condition there was a circular grinding from manufacturing
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kye_lin
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zebion
·Dial appears original but in horrible state. The orginal luminous paste is mostly off.
Hands seem original, but most likely relumed. The grain size of the lume is too smooth. Check if they are luminous at all and whether the lume is shining in the same way (color, duration) as the rest on the dial. The dial should only show luminscense under UV light.
Glass most likely a replacement - check if there is an engraved Omega logo at the center and if the legs of the logo are straight to the side. They should not be "smiling".
Casing is original, some dents around 9, but the rest seems unpolished.
Crown appears orginal from what I can see. Sits slightly odd, so could be that the crown shaft is bent.
The movement number 156xxx in mho is too low, it indicates a 1956 production, whereas Rancheros were produced 1958-1959, but I do not know well enough whether Omega took movements from their stocks. An extract from Omega will help on that but it will not be at no cost.
Check if the back casing still has the circular grinding. Usually these things have been polished heavily to get rid of the signs of sewaty wearers. ;-)
Strap is not original and not even fitting.
Cutting things short (after all that ;-):
Not sure, for me the most important parts are the dial and the hands, since those are the most visible parts of the watch and the hardest to find.
Since those are in bad shape, I would not spend too much. My personal judgement would be something around 800-1000€/USD (which might reflect the price of the individual components). Personally, I would not go for it and spend more on a nice example.
Hands seem original, but most likely relumed. The grain size of the lume is too smooth. Check if they are luminous at all and whether the lume is shining in the same way (color, duration) as the rest on the dial. The dial should only show luminscense under UV light.
Glass most likely a replacement - check if there is an engraved Omega logo at the center and if the legs of the logo are straight to the side. They should not be "smiling".
Casing is original, some dents around 9, but the rest seems unpolished.
Crown appears orginal from what I can see. Sits slightly odd, so could be that the crown shaft is bent.
The movement number 156xxx in mho is too low, it indicates a 1956 production, whereas Rancheros were produced 1958-1959, but I do not know well enough whether Omega took movements from their stocks. An extract from Omega will help on that but it will not be at no cost.
Check if the back casing still has the circular grinding. Usually these things have been polished heavily to get rid of the signs of sewaty wearers. ;-)
Strap is not original and not even fitting.
Cutting things short (after all that ;-):
Not sure, for me the most important parts are the dial and the hands, since those are the most visible parts of the watch and the hardest to find.
Since those are in bad shape, I would not spend too much. My personal judgement would be something around 800-1000€/USD (which might reflect the price of the individual components). Personally, I would not go for it and spend more on a nice example.
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Snickers1985
·Thanks for posting this, I've been looking at quite a few Rancheros recently and some of them scream fake. It's such a mine field for those of us without the experience.
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zebion
·Thanks for posting this, I've been looking at quite a few Rancheros recently and some of them scream fake. It's such a mine field for those of us without the experience.
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MJKauz
·Bumping an old thread but I wanted to say thanks as well. I'm on the search for a nice Ranchero (as well as a nice 2914, whichever comes first at this point) and I've been super wary of anything I've seen for sale online so far. HODINKEE had one for sale a while back that looked pretty phenomenal but I missed it. It feels like it may be a few years before I find a solid one but I've read this thread a dozen times now to try to soak it all in.
Thanks again.
Thanks again.
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Flip
·With regards to looking for a Ranchero let me say this, don’t concentrate on condition as much as originality. If you are able to spend the kind of money top examples sell for then fair enough, hold out till you find that grail, but if not don’t be afraid to buy one that’s not quite museum quality. But when I say this I mean make sure it is 100% genuine, better that than one that’s had replaced parts, relumed but looks nice.
The Dial, Broad Arrow hands and correct Bowler hat crown are synonymous with this model so they all should be correct, whatever the condition.
The Ranchero is full of charm even with missing lume, patina dials, cases that aren’t as crisp as they once were (try avoid an over polished case though) don’t forget there’s not many about that are true unmolested Rancheros
The Dial, Broad Arrow hands and correct Bowler hat crown are synonymous with this model so they all should be correct, whatever the condition.
The Ranchero is full of charm even with missing lume, patina dials, cases that aren’t as crisp as they once were (try avoid an over polished case though) don’t forget there’s not many about that are true unmolested Rancheros
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MacBrag
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Hey Guys,
what you think of this? No seriffs, consistent lume, fonts seem right. Just looks a bit too nice in my opinion?
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KingAlfonse
·With regards to looking for a Ranchero let me say this, don’t concentrate on condition as much as originality. If you are able to spend the kind of money top examples sell for then fair enough, hold out till you find that grail, but if not don’t be afraid to buy one that’s not quite museum quality. But when I say this I mean make sure it is 100% genuine, better that than one that’s had replaced parts, relumed but looks nice.
The Dial, Broad Arrow hands and correct Bowler hat crown are synonymous with this model so they all should be correct, whatever the condition.
The Ranchero is full of charm even with missing lume, patina dials, cases that aren’t as crisp as they once were (try avoid an over polished case though) don’t forget there’s not many about that are true unmolested Rancheros
I just want to thank everyone on this forum for sharing their knowledge. As a total newbie it’s threads like these that make me covet a ranchero (I had never seen a white dial until reading this) and know what to look for. Thanks all!
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pitpro
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Hey Guys,
what you think of this? No seriffs, consistent lume, fonts seem right. Just looks a bit too nice in my opinion?
Total trash
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zebion
·Unfortunately you seem to be right. It seems to be a redial, the luminous markers are too long and too "sharp" Not even sure about the hands. Hands (at least hour and minute) are not original. I am more experienced with the 2990 Ranchero (low second), but I believe that the second hand is also not original
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Sa Calobra
·Hi everyone, I'm looking at this 2990. I don't think it's a redial, but me and @gbesq are doubting whether the lume is original or redone. What do you think? Perhaps a geiger counter test will tell us more, but not sure how many sellers have on at hand?
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/7ZigNIy20iU?feature=share here's a video of it. I've tried to embed the URL but I keep getting an error.
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/7ZigNIy20iU?feature=share here's a video of it. I've tried to embed the URL but I keep getting an error.
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zebion
·From what I can see I would consider it to be the original lume. The paint is precisely on the markings, usually repaints are rather badly done.I have a similarly patinated lume on one of my rancheros. On the 8hour marker the lume looks a bit wavy on the edge but I guess this is an optical aberration on the pictures coming from the scratches on the glas. UV light would also work as a first test. The lume should glow up shortly blueish and the brightness should vanish instantly (<1sec) after UV is off. You could ask if the seller has a UV light. How is the overall condition of the dial. Guess most scratches are on the glas?
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Sa Calobra
·From what I can see I would consider it to be the original lume. The paint is precisely on the markings, usually repaints are rather badly done.I have a similarly patinated lume on one of my rancheros. On the 8hour marker the lume looks a bit wavy on the edge but I guess this is an optical aberration on the pictures coming from the scratches on the glas. UV light would also work as a first test. The lume should glow up shortly blueish and the brightness should vanish instantly (<1sec) after UV is off. You could ask if the seller has a UV light. How is the overall condition of the dial. Guess most scratches are on the glas?
Thanks- i must say i was closer to saying original lume rather than relumed. Perhaps someone else has a different view? And yes, scratches are on the glass so I think dial is in fairly good shape.
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Basset Hound
·I’ve compared the photographs my Ranchero. My only query would be that the thin ends of the lume are more rounded than they should be. Possibly a little thicker at the perimeter as well.
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Sa Calobra
·I’ve compared the photographs my Ranchero. My only query would be that the thin ends of the lume are more rounded than they should be. Possibly a little thicker at the perimeter as well.
I've been comparing it to other photos as well (like the one below), and I agree the markers look a a bit thicker at the top. Part of it could also be an illusion because the dark pumpkin patina of the example below does leave a less patinated small border at the outside, making it look 'sharper' than the one above.
Seller claims that it's all original, not redone, because 'his watchmaker checked it'. I am inclined to let this one go, unless a fellow member here convinces me to go for it.
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gbesq
·My advice to all is to do your homework, be patient in your search, and don’t let frustration at not immediately finding what you want prompt you to buy a poor example. It took me four years to find mine and I looked at and rejected dozens. When I found the right one, the wait was completely worth it.
