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Ranchero Redials 101
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Sa Calobra
·If you at the this photograph and compare the lume you can see what I mean about the difference.
Agree. Looks thicker and less sharp
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DIV
·Ok, after a few years, it's time for an update as there are a couple new generations of pretty convincing redials out there.
Here's a common one:
Notice the frames/surrounds on the triangular markers...they are in the style of the white Ranchero dial, but are NOT CORRECT for the black dial. Also, notice how the "9" has uneven thickness in it's curves on top and bottom. Also, notice the subtle serifs on the "3":
OK, here's another one:
Here you can see that the numbers have thicker more modern font. Also, the Ranchero script is wrong and the Omega symbol is thick and fuzzy.
And finally, here's another common one:
Note here that the triangle at the bottom of the subdial is cut short. that is a very easy giveaway that should automatically set off alarms for you. Also, notice how all of the arrows are far from touch the rehout...that's another sign of a redial, however, it could sometimes be due to the watch being fitted with the wrong crystal and tension ring.
and last one. this one was otherwise, very convincing:
But look carfully at the subdial: it should NEVER have concentric rings on the Ranchero:
Also, the arrow markers are just a bit too sharp and exact.
I hope this helps!
Here's a common one:
Notice the frames/surrounds on the triangular markers...they are in the style of the white Ranchero dial, but are NOT CORRECT for the black dial. Also, notice how the "9" has uneven thickness in it's curves on top and bottom. Also, notice the subtle serifs on the "3":
OK, here's another one:
Here you can see that the numbers have thicker more modern font. Also, the Ranchero script is wrong and the Omega symbol is thick and fuzzy.
And finally, here's another common one:
Note here that the triangle at the bottom of the subdial is cut short. that is a very easy giveaway that should automatically set off alarms for you. Also, notice how all of the arrows are far from touch the rehout...that's another sign of a redial, however, it could sometimes be due to the watch being fitted with the wrong crystal and tension ring.
and last one. this one was otherwise, very convincing:
But look carfully at the subdial: it should NEVER have concentric rings on the Ranchero:
Also, the arrow markers are just a bit too sharp and exact.
I hope this helps!
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pitpro
·Ok, after a few years, it's time for an update as there are a couple new generations of pretty convincing redials out there.
Here's a common one:
Also, the arrow markers are just a bit too sharp and exact.
I hope this helps!
protect unwitting buyers, I really don't think this is a great
idea. This helps the forgers perfect their fraud. Better
buyers reach out to more experienced collectors to help
with vetting a purchase. The forgers will never get it 100% right,
but let's not help them get better.
It always amazes me why the forgers are So focused on this
relatively complicated watch dial to forge. I guess it's probably
because of the abundant availability of 2996 case/movement
Seamasters that just need a Ranchero dial to multiply the value.
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DIV
·I understand your thoughts and appreciate your help and expertise on this thread and others. I just figured that there were more people on here that are honest collectors trying to get information than shady counterfeiters looking to perfect their fakery craft.
If enough people think similarly, I would be happy to ask the mods to delete my recent post or this entire thread all together?
If enough people think similarly, I would be happy to ask the mods to delete my recent post or this entire thread all together?
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watchyouwant
·I understand your thoughts and appreciate your help and expertise on this thread and others. I just figured that there were more people on here that are honest collectors trying to get information than shady counterfeiters looking to perfect their fakery craft.
If enough people think similarly, I would be happy to ask the mods to delete my recent post or this entire thread all together?
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Garden Veggies
·Greetings Ranchero Experts! I was convinced that I had a decent - albeit redialed Ranchero - but now I’m noticing that the the sub seconds don’t have the recessed section like the other examples. The sub seconds appear to be flush with the rest of the dial. Any thoughts on this?
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·Good morning, I am sorry to say, but I do share your fears that the dial is not original. Unfortunately the list is slightly longer. Both hands (hour/minute) appear to not be original, they are both too broad especially at the basis. The lume of the minute hand is broader than that of the original hand and it should end more sharply on the outer edge (yours appears little rounded) - maybe the hands come from a 2996. The lenght though quite wll matches the origlnal. Hour hand should just touch the 5min markers. And the corwn isnt the typical boulder-head. However, this is definitely not the worst re-dialed and re-equipped Ranchero I have seen.
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pitpro
·Greetings Ranchero Experts! I was convinced that I had a decent - albeit redialed Ranchero - but now I’m noticing that the the sub seconds don’t have the recessed section like the other examples. The sub seconds appear to be flush with the rest of the dial. Any thoughts on this?
so what's your concern? That your redial doesn't have recessed sub second
area(like other examples of what)? At least you knew what you were buying.
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·I don't understand the question. You say you know its "re-dialed" (it is),
so what's your concern? That your redial doesn't have recessed sub second
area(like other examples of what)? At least you knew what you were buying.
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·Good morning, I am sorry to say, but I do share your fears that the dial is not original. Unfortunately the list is slightly longer. Both hands (hour/minute) appear to not be original, they are both too broad especially at the basis. The lume of the minute hand is broader than that of the original hand and it should end more sharply on the outer edge (yours appears little rounded) - maybe the hands come from a 2996. The lenght though quite wll matches the origlnal. Hour hand should just touch the 5min markers. And the corwn isnt the typical boulder-head. However, this is definitely not the worst re-dialed and re-equipped Ranchero I have seen.
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pitpro
·yes, the latter
Had a feeling you were testing the waters
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Garden Veggies
·I see it's on ebay now.
Had a feeling you were testing the waters
