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Foo2rama
··Nowhere near as grumpy as he used to be...
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Archer
··Omega Qualified WatchmakerWell that was unexpected and a bit of a mic drop.
Just to confirm, I checked the serial number on the Extranet:
Serial number: 78870165
Article ref: 31130423001007
But the watch in the OP came up as this:
Serial number: 78856681
Article ref: 31130423001005
So a bit puzzled why the first watch appears to be a regular Speedmaster converted, when we have a solid example of one with a completely different reference number.
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Daguy
·Just to confirm, I checked the serial number on the Extranet:
Serial number: 78870165
Article ref: 31130423001007
But the watch in the OP came up as this:
Serial number: 78856681
Article ref: 31130423001005
So a bit puzzled why the first watch appears to be a regular Speedmaster converted, when we have a solid example of one with a completely different reference number.
so Omega sold me a Fake you said ?
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Daguy
·I understood that according to your information, this serial number refers to a standard speed which has been modified, then received a new ref and a new number
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Daguy
·For me yes !
And that really an edition made by omega itself
And that really an edition made by omega itself
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kov
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Daguy
·Amen
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Foo2rama
··Nowhere near as grumpy as he used to be...Just to confirm, I checked the serial number on the Extranet:
Serial number: 78870165
Article ref: 31130423001007
But the watch in the OP came up as this:
Serial number: 78856681
Article ref: 31130423001005
So a bit puzzled why the first watch appears to be a regular Speedmaster converted, when we have a solid example of one with a completely different reference number.
I wasn’t doubting you. It was everyone, me included who thought none of them where done by Omega.
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Archer
··Omega Qualified WatchmakerI wasn’t doubting you. It was everyone, me included who thought none of them where done by Omega.
I didn't take it that you were. Just saying that it is still strange to me why at least one of these doesn't come up with the right reference number.
Unsure what to make of it - is this a franken someone has made up? Did some of these come from Omega, and some were made by a dealer?
No idea, just saying that something doesn't add up. I would personally never buy any sort of LE that is supposed to have it's own reference number, of the serial number came back as a regular version of the model - to me that is an almost certain sign of a franken watch.
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Foo2rama
··Nowhere near as grumpy as he used to be...I didn't take it that you were. Just saying that it is still strange to me why at least one of these doesn't come up with the right reference number.
Unsure what to make of it - is this a franken someone has made up? Did some of these come from Omega, and some were made by a dealer?
No idea, just saying that something doesn't add up. I would personally never buy any sort of LE that is supposed to have it's own reference number, of the serial number came back as a regular version of the model - to me that is an almost certain sign of a franken watch.
That one with a normal serial number and reference is baffeling if one exists with a special reference number.
It's almost like one was a 3rd party attempt, that was then used as a template for the LE. That and all the explanations that all seem to contradict each other lead to that as a possible conclusion, it is a huge leap of faith I will admit.
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LeonDeBayonne
·Did some of these come from Omega, and some were made by a dealer?
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lowen
·More information here (and we have validated this information for both this article and the book):
https://www.watchbooksonly.com/articles/watch-reviews/the-omega-speedmaster-raid/
I confirm the specific reference of this watch: 311.30.30.42.30.01.007. And we have seen this ref on all the RAID pieces we have observed...
So I don't really understand the pending questions here...
Regarding the very few watches sold by Omega: it is probably due to the fact that actually not 100% of the watches went to the RAID, and some rare examples have been made available for either French personalities / friends of Omega / best clients of Omega / best clients of De Macedo (call them as you want...). I do not have information about the exact number of those "not sold to the RAID" pieces, but I think I can say that the immense majority of these RAID Speedies have gone to RAID members.
By the way, all the 250 pieces are similar and numbered xxx/250.
https://www.watchbooksonly.com/articles/watch-reviews/the-omega-speedmaster-raid/
I confirm the specific reference of this watch: 311.30.30.42.30.01.007. And we have seen this ref on all the RAID pieces we have observed...
So I don't really understand the pending questions here...
Regarding the very few watches sold by Omega: it is probably due to the fact that actually not 100% of the watches went to the RAID, and some rare examples have been made available for either French personalities / friends of Omega / best clients of Omega / best clients of De Macedo (call them as you want...). I do not have information about the exact number of those "not sold to the RAID" pieces, but I think I can say that the immense majority of these RAID Speedies have gone to RAID members.
By the way, all the 250 pieces are similar and numbered xxx/250.
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Archer
··Omega Qualified WatchmakerI confirm the specific reference of this watch: 311.30.30.42.30.01.007. And we have seen this ref on all the RAID pieces we have observed...
So I don't really understand the pending questions here...
Well, if you look at the first watch posted in this thread, you have now seen one that wasn't a ref. 311.30.30.42.30.01.007.
Again from the Omega Extranet:
Serial number: 78856681
Article ref: 31130423001005
So that's why there are pending questions here...if you have insight into this, please let us know.
Cheers, Al
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lowen
·Got it.
Absolutely no idea why this one had a normal reference number. A simple error from Omega? The ref you checked came from the Omega Extranet. It would be interesting to see its card and check the data mentioned on it.
My answer was just to confirm that this watch is clearly a specific LE, with a specific ref, furthermore not available to the public (except for a very few).
And I don’t want to comment the interest or speculation on this model... Anyone has its own opinion on this kind of editions... To me, exactly the same thing as a Comex Rolex for example...
Absolutely no idea why this one had a normal reference number. A simple error from Omega? The ref you checked came from the Omega Extranet. It would be interesting to see its card and check the data mentioned on it.
My answer was just to confirm that this watch is clearly a specific LE, with a specific ref, furthermore not available to the public (except for a very few).
And I don’t want to comment the interest or speculation on this model... Anyone has its own opinion on this kind of editions... To me, exactly the same thing as a Comex Rolex for example...
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Daguy
·More information here (and we have validated this information for both this article and the book):
https://www.watchbooksonly.com/articles/watch-reviews/the-omega-speedmaster-raid/
I confirm the specific reference of this watch: 311.30.30.42.30.01.007. And we have seen this ref on all the RAID pieces we have observed...
So I don't really understand the pending questions here...
Regarding the very few watches sold by Omega: it is probably due to the fact that actually not 100% of the watches went to the RAID, and some rare examples have been made available for either French personalities / friends of Omega / best clients of Omega / best clients of De Macedo (call them as you want...). I do not have information about the exact number of those "not sold to the RAID" pieces, but I think I can say that the immense majority of these RAID Speedies have gone to RAID members.
By the way, all the 250 pieces are similar and numbered xxx/250.
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whitewolf777
·I am one of the lucky owners of one. The watch looks nice with its subtle differences from a “regular” speedy.
What brought me to it, behind the link to the prestigious “RAID” unit, is the fact that to my knowledge it is the most limited of the stainless steel limited Speedmasters. Certainly not the loudest, but definitely exclusive. To my knowledge there is no precedent of a limited série like this granted by omega and it is not certain there will be another. It was priced quite aggressively at over 15000 €uros. If one is a serious collector of limited speedies, I believe it can be a must have, even though it is not linked to the moon conquest history. Japanese manga and Japanese TV shows are not more linked to the moon conquest. The Ultraman has still found its way to some collectors hearts. Will this watch turn out to be a rare treasure or be rejected? Only time will tell. What remains is that 1 of 250 makes it quite exclusive especially if Omega does not venture into something similar soon. The watches will show up gradually in the market but to my opinion quite discreetly. Members of the raid might cherish them, and because they need to remain discreet they might not sell theirs before retirement. Is the the Comex of Omega? Maybe, maybe not. As expensive as it may be, it is exclusive. What is your opinion? Should one seek these or flee from them?
What brought me to it, behind the link to the prestigious “RAID” unit, is the fact that to my knowledge it is the most limited of the stainless steel limited Speedmasters. Certainly not the loudest, but definitely exclusive. To my knowledge there is no precedent of a limited série like this granted by omega and it is not certain there will be another. It was priced quite aggressively at over 15000 €uros. If one is a serious collector of limited speedies, I believe it can be a must have, even though it is not linked to the moon conquest history. Japanese manga and Japanese TV shows are not more linked to the moon conquest. The Ultraman has still found its way to some collectors hearts. Will this watch turn out to be a rare treasure or be rejected? Only time will tell. What remains is that 1 of 250 makes it quite exclusive especially if Omega does not venture into something similar soon. The watches will show up gradually in the market but to my opinion quite discreetly. Members of the raid might cherish them, and because they need to remain discreet they might not sell theirs before retirement. Is the the Comex of Omega? Maybe, maybe not. As expensive as it may be, it is exclusive. What is your opinion? Should one seek these or flee from them?
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Daguy
·I totally agree with your arguments. The numerus clausus of this series is the big point of this Speed. When it comes to possible speculation, not much for me, but it makes sense. I acquired it for more personal reasons.
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