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Vintagewtchzilla
·Love some sarcasm early in the morning.
yeaa true ... but the phillips site should everybody know ...
Possibly a Speedmaster 2915?
yeaa true ... but the phillips site should everybody know ...
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Screwbacks
·are auction houses being rated for their performance, reputation, clients, products, etc. that somehow, results of bid may or may not be as expected?
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eugeneandresson
·are auction houses being rated for their performance, reputation, clients, products, etc. that somehow, results of bid may or may not be as expected?
Sounds like a great thread to me 😗
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Patrik83
·I was trying to bid and had issues because of the deposit that I had no idea was needed 🤬. I bet I was not alone with those issues.
It stated clearly that I was able to bid for much more than this in my profile page. I called Bukowskis in the middle of auction and they let me know about this rule and unlocked me. This was new to me.
It should be stated it in the T&C and they should have sent an email a couple of days in advance with a reminder about this deposit.
However, in the end I was able to get the watch I was after 😀 It felt like many of the lots were good value, just looking at the parts.
It stated clearly that I was able to bid for much more than this in my profile page. I called Bukowskis in the middle of auction and they let me know about this rule and unlocked me. This was new to me.
It should be stated it in the T&C and they should have sent an email a couple of days in advance with a reminder about this deposit.
However, in the end I was able to get the watch I was after 😀 It felt like many of the lots were good value, just looking at the parts.
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Vintagewtchzilla
·one thing i didn't like at all .... they want to be an international auction house and then those 2 auctioneers talk mainly in swedish , i know swedish are sometimes a bit complicated but hey it would be more charming when the whole crowd would understand everything ...
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izydor
·I’d like to share my thoughts even though nobody cares what I think.
As an auction house, I would like to avoid false/fake bids, so pre-registration makes sense to me. Pretty obvious, right? Whether the deposit does, I don’t know. Possibly? Good way of securing the bids. The question - already asked - is whether those rules were clearly stated early enough?
For OP, I guess it seems safer to sell with auction house at first. Unless you hang around on OF at least for a while and see how things work here, it will be just some random people on the Internet telling you they’ll pay you hell of a lot of money. Well, so will the Nigerian prince. Don’t get me wrong here. Auction house just seems more „official” and with such stake it appears to be a good choice. Also please note Bukowskis was recommended in this thread, along with other reputable auction houses.
I think the best advice given here (and not only here) was to calm the f down and take your time before doing anything. But there might be something that collectors here don’t understand - when the find becomes a problem because of its value, and selling it fast could be a relief.
Anyway, still an impressive amount for mortals like me. I hope all these comments won’t make the OP too sad.
As an auction house, I would like to avoid false/fake bids, so pre-registration makes sense to me. Pretty obvious, right? Whether the deposit does, I don’t know. Possibly? Good way of securing the bids. The question - already asked - is whether those rules were clearly stated early enough?
For OP, I guess it seems safer to sell with auction house at first. Unless you hang around on OF at least for a while and see how things work here, it will be just some random people on the Internet telling you they’ll pay you hell of a lot of money. Well, so will the Nigerian prince. Don’t get me wrong here. Auction house just seems more „official” and with such stake it appears to be a good choice. Also please note Bukowskis was recommended in this thread, along with other reputable auction houses.
I think the best advice given here (and not only here) was to calm the f down and take your time before doing anything. But there might be something that collectors here don’t understand - when the find becomes a problem because of its value, and selling it fast could be a relief.
Anyway, still an impressive amount for mortals like me. I hope all these comments won’t make the OP too sad.
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Vintagewtchzilla
·Just as helpful as ever.
hello my dear friend, long time not seen and i didn't miss it.
instead of just complaining about my incompetence you could have been helpful and post the link but u missed that chance too
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Dash1
·Maybe not all collectors are the same.
There are -1 with characteristics of the -2 and vice versa (e.g. here the movement serial # was more common for a -1).
When it comes to early 2915s, I believe it's not only condition, but mainly originality and completeness that counts.
The OP's watch was basically genuine including the rare bezel and in fair condition. I thought it might go for around 200k.
I don't think the case reference alone made that difference.
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Agreed, the fact that this one was a -2 doesn’t account completely for the low price achieved on this particular example, but I still stand by what I said. A 2915-1 would achieve a higher price than and a -2 in similar condition. A first edition book will always be worth more than than a second edition (to collectors) even if it takes an expert to tell them apart. There can be only one ‘first.’
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tyrantlizardrex
·hello my dear friend, long time not seen and i didn't miss it.
instead of just complaining about my incompetence you could have been helpful and post the link but u missed that chance too
As charming as always.
It may help if you removed that chip from your shoulder, and your head from your backside.
In the time it took you to be unhelpful and sarcastic, you could have helped a fellow member by posting the link to the thing you were referring to.
Instead you chose to behave poorly.
“Dear friend”?
You seem to be somewhat confused, I don’t make friends with arseholes.
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w154
·Bickering should be kept to PM. Nobody else cares...
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Vintagewtchzilla
·Agreed, the fact that this one was a -2 doesn’t account completely for the low price achieved on this particular example, but I still stand by what I said. A 2915-1 would achieve a higher price than and a -2 in similar condition. A first edition book will always be worth more than than a second edition (to collectors) even if it takes an expert to tell them apart. There can be only one ‘first.’
also don't forget the -1 had a much smaller run than a -2 so alone from rarity a -1 will always win over a -2
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about3blank
·I dragged myself out of bed to follow along, with four lots that I'd earmarked as "passive pursuits," in that I would bid until about 10% off market value and then would stop.
I lost on the first three (Movado - lot 50, 105.012-66HF - lot 76, and 1016 Explorer - lot 80). All of those were in great condition and sold for reasonable prices, so I'm starting to think I quit for no reason. Glad I caught the fourth one though (I'll let that remain a mystery 😉).
At first I was disappointed that mine wasn't undersold like the rest of the auction. Now I know why hah
The website is badly laid out and unclear on process for sure. And it's way slow to update. I questioned whether my bid had even gone through for a while.
Fell asleep the night before while trying to decide my bid, woke up and the auction had already started. Freaked out, sleepily grabbed my phone and thumbed in one of my more aggressive numbers then rushed off to work. Refreshed at stoplight and saw it had hammered at just a smidge below my bid. Figured I must've won then?
But no email, no notice, no pop-up, nothing in the account pages etc... As I started hearing about the issues others had, I figured maybe my bid didn't actually go through. Wondered all day. Finally just now I saw it in my Bukowskis account pages as an invoice. But only because I checked. Still no notification/reminder email or other way to know.
With the high values and small timescales we are dealing with at an online watch auction, system responsiveness is key. Sounds like they are just really disorganized.
What other problems did people face in the online bidding? Did bids just not go through after clicking? Or something more convoluted?
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nonuffinkbloke
·I’d like to share my thoughts even though nobody cares what I think.
But you made a valid point......and we do care Izy!😀 So please don't give way to destructive, self loathing!
I find it can ruin a Wednesday afternoon! 👍
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Pianist
·lot 87 was a steal ! congratulations ! same commission? kind regards. achim
Hi Achim, 35000 SEK + commission... a steal indeed, the bracelet alone is worth at least 1000€
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STANDY
··schizophrenic pizza orderer and watch collectorone thing i didn't like at all .... they want to be an international auction house and then those 2 auctioneers talk mainly in swedish , i know swedish are sometimes a bit complicated but hey it would be more charming when the whole crowd would understand everything ...
Swedish talking Swedish at a Swedish Auction, How dare they......
So I take it English is the international language for all Auction’s
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_official_languages_by_institution
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Pahawi
·Hi Achim, 35000 SEK + commission... a steal indeed, the bracelet alone is worth at least 1000€
A total around USD 4650
Yes, expensive bracelet (no telling on length, though), but crappy lume on both hands and dial, plus crappy caseback, plus you need to find a DON bezel. Is that considered a steal nowadays?
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ejj
·I'm new to the Speedy world, but this auction was certainly different from other houses where the watches are prepped for the sale.
This reminds me of car auctions--totally buyer beware, projects, etc.
This reminds me of car auctions--totally buyer beware, projects, etc.
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