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bgrisso
·Does anyone know the price? I just see ppl throwing out random guesses?
Polarouter at Matthew Bain
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ulackfocus
·Any price they have is for an ocd UG collector who is trying to hurt his portfolio for his retirement !
Well, that would be a HORRIBLE investment at that price so throw that theory out.
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77deluxe
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rolokr
·Well, that would be a HORRIBLE investment at that price so throw that theory out.
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10H10
·Ok, Ok, it's expensive right !? But as far as I've learned, it's the offer and demand law that makes the price, otherwise it wouldn't be sold already. I can understand that some people can be sour, seeing the prices a couple of years ago and now it's tripled, but, how about the Nina and the tri 60' !? It's 10X the price ! These guys should had the nose at the time and bought whatever they could, they would'nt be whining now... 😗
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bloomy
·Based on the dealer, I'd presume they wanted a lot more than it is worth.
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rolokr
·Ok, Ok, it's expensive right !? But as far as I've learned, it's the offer and demand law that makes the price, otherwise it wouldn't be sold already. I can understand that some people can be sour, seeing the prices a couple of years ago and now it's tripled, but, how about the Nina and the tri 60' !? It's 10X the price ! These guys should had the nose at the time and bought whatever they could, they would'nt be whining now... 😗
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rolokr
·Dumbest thing I read today. 😉
Guess how old I am ?
And I surrounded (locally and virtually) by « young » collectors 👍
and makets decline ! Poatage Stamps down, gold coins down, art down etc...
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Mlafra
·I have no idea how much was the asking price of that Polarouter but I know it sold, hence high or low someone was willing to pay it.
Also, I think this is very unfair to compare THIS specific watch to a "standard" Polerouter. Polerouter exists in the 1000s and there is kind of a "market price" for them, that allows us to say a Polerouter is over or underprice. But this is a PolArouter and in great conditions and with a very unique tropical dial (you might like it or not - I personally DON'T have a thing for tropical dials - but it is indeed pretty unique). How many PolArouter I have seen for sale in the last 2 or 3 years.... probably a couple. How many PolArouter I have seen for sale with a Tropical dial.........NONE. This watch is unique, hence its price does not follow market prices: it is as easy as that. It MUST trade at a premium. Then we can discuss for days/weeks/months how much that premium should be, but the truth is there is no right or wrong answer: the fact that it sold it meant that the premium requested was right. In the Rolex world a small line or color of a text on the dial can make a HUGE difference on the value of a watch because collectors are willing to pay for these details.... I am not, as a matter of fact I own dozens of watches NONE of which is a Rolex because I think they are ALL overpriced anyway.... Does it means that I am right and the 1000s of Rolex collectors wrong....I don't think so! Me personally I would have happily paid at least 2/2.5x the price of a normal Polerouter for this example. Would have I paid 3 or 4 times....no, but I can see how someone would. This is also kind of historical important, it is the very first iteration of a sort of iconic watch and the first watch designed by Gerald Genta AND in the crazy world of watch collecting still AFFORDABLE in the relative terms: it surely did not sell for tens and tens of Ks!
Also, I think this is very unfair to compare THIS specific watch to a "standard" Polerouter. Polerouter exists in the 1000s and there is kind of a "market price" for them, that allows us to say a Polerouter is over or underprice. But this is a PolArouter and in great conditions and with a very unique tropical dial (you might like it or not - I personally DON'T have a thing for tropical dials - but it is indeed pretty unique). How many PolArouter I have seen for sale in the last 2 or 3 years.... probably a couple. How many PolArouter I have seen for sale with a Tropical dial.........NONE. This watch is unique, hence its price does not follow market prices: it is as easy as that. It MUST trade at a premium. Then we can discuss for days/weeks/months how much that premium should be, but the truth is there is no right or wrong answer: the fact that it sold it meant that the premium requested was right. In the Rolex world a small line or color of a text on the dial can make a HUGE difference on the value of a watch because collectors are willing to pay for these details.... I am not, as a matter of fact I own dozens of watches NONE of which is a Rolex because I think they are ALL overpriced anyway.... Does it means that I am right and the 1000s of Rolex collectors wrong....I don't think so! Me personally I would have happily paid at least 2/2.5x the price of a normal Polerouter for this example. Would have I paid 3 or 4 times....no, but I can see how someone would. This is also kind of historical important, it is the very first iteration of a sort of iconic watch and the first watch designed by Gerald Genta AND in the crazy world of watch collecting still AFFORDABLE in the relative terms: it surely did not sell for tens and tens of Ks!
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5oclocksomewhr
·Different watch, but I inquired about this Polerouter (beautiful dial, though some questionable lume) a few months ago and the seller is "asking" (wait for it...) --> €4500. 🤨
We should probably have a "they want what??" thread here like in the Omega forum.
We should probably have a "they want what??" thread here like in the Omega forum.
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Rman
·At least here in America the watch market has declined for many years
Tastes change but overall it would be hard to argue vintage as a whole has declined. Quite the opposite.
You think so? Perfect chocolate brown with no flaws at all?
Still skeptical on that part of it. For the rest, whatever the market will bear.
gatorcpa
Not hard to believe it was originally printed in brown... The watch looks good in a photo but maybe not the most desirable color for wearing.
The value here (if the dial is original) is in the letter A between Pol and Router.
... be really nice to have a macro of this dial.
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R3D9
·I've seen some LUDICROUS prices on Polerouters recently..... even a few here.
Ironically, HODINKEE seems to have a more realistic grasp on the price of Polerouters these days... this one came up for sale today:
https://shop.hodinkee.com/collectio...lerouter-jet-automatic?variant=12117118910539
And this from a few weeks back:
https://shop.hodinkee.com/collectio...ersal-geneve-polerouter?variant=5435020312591
When you consider that they are supposedly pricing as dealers, it kind of makes you raise your eyebrows at the prices being asked by private collectors.
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Selbo
·Different watch, but I inquired about this Polerouter (beautiful dial, though some questionable lume) a few months ago and the seller is "asking" (wait for it...) --> €4500. 🤨
We should probably have a "they want what??" thread here like in the Omega forum.
Yes, this is the type of aging I’m accustomed to seeing on a tropical UG Polerouter. I understand that heat, humidity can cause a tropical effect but the consistency of the aging on the OP dial seems curious. I like tropical dials but I like my tropical medium rare instead of well done. Here is a Polarouter I have which I’m posting because the number is very close to the MB listing. MB blurred out some digits but the first four numbers match so it’s within a few hundred (at most) of the OP watch (mine is 1647568 versus 1647XX2 on the MB listing). You can’t really tell from my photo but there is some browning but it’s very subtle and obviously very different than the stark brown Polarouter. Doesn’t lead to any clear conclusions but interesting to see the difference.
Finally, here is a gold-capped version of a Polarouter with an aging dial.
This inconsistent color fade and crazing of the dial is more common in my experience. The watch certainly has issues (dial ain’t great, overpolished, crown is wrong, etc.) but at least I was able to fix that awful green strap. Again, I’m not questioning the MB watch (too many unknowns) just adding more data.
Based on trend, keep an eye out for my $9,000 listing in the FS section...😉
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rolokr
·Think you have to be more specific than that.
Tastes change but overall it would be hard to argue vintage as a whole has declined. Quite the opposite.
Not hard to believe it was originally printed in brown... The watch looks good in a photo but maybe not the most desirable color for wearing.
The value here (if the dial is original) is in the letter A between Pol and Router.
... be really nice to have a macro of this dial.
DOWN in value ! Ebay has been horrible for quite awhile, fees are higher etc...Unless you were a psychic, and bought 1960's Compax , Eric Clapton Tricompax etc... then the appreciation of other brands and complications has been pretty slow. I love Jaeger Lecoultre Futurematics, incredible watches, the rare ones much nicer than any Polerouter IMHO, sit on ebay and other watch sites with little or no interest. Gubelin IMHO made some of the most beautiful watches with heavy cases with fancy lugs, high quality movements and complications and have not appreciated hardly much at all ! When I started collecting it was all about Patek Philippe ! Triple date moon phase complications watches were also prized from various brands, what happened with those ? Gruen curvex and doctors watches were also prized, same movements as the Rolex Price. Very little interest in those as well ! I hope the vintage watch market will continue to be of interest, but to be honest MOST younger people in America care less about vintage watches ! Cell phones, social media, Apple products and flat screen TV's, cars, college, career, money, relationships (girls) and housing are the focus ! Let me know where I am mistaken please ? Luckily, I did collect over 20 nice UG, however no Polerouters, I liked them, but my focus was on UG with complications !
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Mazoue
·Perhaps interest is not waning in vintage watches per se, it is just that tastes are changing.
In addition to the Genta connection and the interesting historical connection with SAS, the Polerouter has another advantage in my opinion. Although it has a vintage look, it is not old fashioned looking or fussy and therefore I think is more likely to appeal to a broader age range. I think it also a watch that can be worn in a range of circumstances, as depending on the strap/bracelet, it can be dressed up or down.
In addition to the Genta connection and the interesting historical connection with SAS, the Polerouter has another advantage in my opinion. Although it has a vintage look, it is not old fashioned looking or fussy and therefore I think is more likely to appeal to a broader age range. I think it also a watch that can be worn in a range of circumstances, as depending on the strap/bracelet, it can be dressed up or down.
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michael22
·They look old fashioned to me. Definitely a design of its time.
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