Universal Geneve Compax Ref 885107 -- FS by Matthew Bain

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From MB? Sky is the limit!
 
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From Bain??? 😲
 
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It is all wrong ....
Dean, For the illumination of us all and as an authority on these, care to spell out the issues?
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Here is a good one ...



H, m, and second may be correct. I have seen h and m in steel with a red second too. Bezel should be the darker blue and register hands should be white. Bracelet is a joke. Easy to see that it is wrong! Case back is a kojak or turned .... I don't really know why anyone would ever want to do that as there are only two possible reasons and both are dodgy. I get the felling that this watch is put together which would not be an issue if it was done conscientiously ...

All in all, a very sloppy attempt. $22k ? I would expect a lot more ...
 
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And as for Mathew Bain .....:whipped:
 
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That's why....I haunt you guys when I see something - BEFORE - I buy it. I've missed things waiting for answers but better to be safe and vet it here.
 
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These two prominent dealers can’t claim “we get so many watches we can’t Vet every one” excuse when they are asking the prices they charge. I would expect better of both. Can’t trust anyone.
 
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H, m, and second may be correct. I have seen h and m in steel with a red second too. Bezel should be the darker blue and register hands should be white. Bracelet is a joke. Easy to see that it is wrong! Case back is a kojak or turned .... I don't really know why anyone would ever want to do that as there are only two possible reasons and both are dodgy. I get the felling that this watch is put together which would not be an issue if it was done conscientiously ...

All in all, a very sloppy attempt. $22k ? I would expect a lot more ...

So, if it is a put-together, where are the parts from? Are they fakes/services items/from a different reference?
 
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So, if it is a put-together, where are the parts from? Are they fakes/services items/from a different reference?

most likely it was serviced over the years by various watchmakers who used the parts they thought were close enough. It was until the last 5+ years that anal collectors came along and started looking at these details and asking questions. 15 years ago, nobody cared about these details...especially on this reference.
 
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most likely it was serviced over the years by various watchmakers who used the parts they thought were close enough. It was until the last 5+ years that anal collectors came along and started looking at these details and asking questions. 15 years ago, nobody cared about these details...especially on this reference.

I just wondered, since it is easy to see that there are differences, but the differences are minute and (as far as I can see!) are items that are uniquely UG.
 
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when they were cheap as chips no one cared. At $20k plus it’s a different game altogether.
 
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I just wondered, since it is easy to see that there are differences, but the differences are minute and (as far as I can see!) are items that are uniquely UG.

its easy today with all the info we have...10 years ago it was impossible to know. Hell 3-5 years ago nobody cared about this.
 
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So is it wrong to point the finger at these dealers?
 
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So is it wrong to point the finger at these dealers?

I didnt say that...I was answering this question:

So, if it is a put-together, where are the parts from? Are they fakes/services items/from a different reference?