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eugeneandresson
·Some really interesting names mentioned in a local Swiss (french language) paper…ill say no more, but there are names i have been hearing about for years…
Phillips auction Speedmaster - a 3.000.000-fake?
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iamvr
·Some really interesting names mentioned in a local Swiss (french language) paper…ill say no more, but there are names i have been hearing about for years…
Can you provide the link please?
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SpeedyPhill
·Maybe:
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watchyouwant
·Some really interesting names mentioned in a local Swiss (french language) paper…ill say no more, but there are names i have been hearing about for years…
Can't find the Names.... Which ones ?
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M'Bob
·I always find the “why” of these things fascinating. The simple answer is always “ money and power,” but often the explanations run deeper.
Were there any mitigating circumstances? Was someone’s job on the line if they didn’t comply? I don’t see all nefarious behavior as equal. However…if those involved were living comfortably, could feed their families, and had enough materialism to save face with their peer groups, and purposely and knowingly set out to defraud a collector or institution, then this is just shameful and unforgivable behavior.
Were there any mitigating circumstances? Was someone’s job on the line if they didn’t comply? I don’t see all nefarious behavior as equal. However…if those involved were living comfortably, could feed their families, and had enough materialism to save face with their peer groups, and purposely and knowingly set out to defraud a collector or institution, then this is just shameful and unforgivable behavior.
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Fallout Boy
·Some "decisions" are bets: sometimes you win, sometimes you lose. Nothing more.
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M'Bob
·Some "decisions" are bets: sometimes you win, sometimes you lose. Nothing more.
Winning defined as not getting caught?
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Pastorbottle
·He who gets away with the most dishonest shit wins!
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pdxleaf
·Oftentimes it's a slippery slope, one bad decision after another until they are too deep into it. What might have started with the good intention by an honest person of preserving an early and rare specimen morphed into something more nefarious.
Whatever the cause, only the individuals involved know the truth.
Whatever the cause, only the individuals involved know the truth.
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aprax
·The article in Le Temps is mainly a rehash of the two previous NZZ articles. Names are not mentioned. But they report that Phillips issued a statement saying - I am citing the article in Le Temps: ...they do not offer watches for sale "if they are not 100% convinced of their authenticity" and that that particular watch had been inspected "by specialists, by experts and even by the manufacturer at the point of time of the sale and nobody had expressed any discomfort in the matter".
Strong words...
Strong words...
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trash_gordon
·The article in Le Temps is mainly a rehash of the two previous NZZ articles. Names are not mentioned. But they report that Phillips issued a statement saying - I am citing the article in Le Temps: ...they do not offer watches for sale "if they are not 100% convinced of their authenticity" and that that particular watch had been inspected "by specialists, by experts and even by the manufacturer at the point of time of the sale and nobody had expressed any discomfort in the matter".
Strong words...
Looooool!!! All those "Rare and Important" Alaska Prototypes 😗
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Tom Dick
·I’ve been watching this carefully for a long time having personally seen a couple of ‘naked ‘ dials (particularly) that due to the distinct markings have been noticeable even as rare prototypes and am convinced at least two of the ‘Alaska’s’ of the last couple of years fall firmly in to this category.
this watch in many ways confirms my suspicions as, if there has been complicity from museum employees with access to the data and external skills to effectively ‘remanufacture’ parts, including serial bridges, then you can see clearly see how its been done.
My humble opinion is that this has been going on longer than just this watch, it’s got bigger and bigger with things like the alaska watches and then ultimately greed has got the better of the perpitrators, no doubt fuelled by a feeling of invincibility (backed by their unique position and knowledge)
It’s a sad state of affairs as it tarnishes the whole heritage team and the brand we all love, it also shows just how low people to stoop to have such access and knowledge and use it for their personal gains! If you tot up the Alaska’s and this then this is fraud on a very large (for vintage watches) scale!
this watch in many ways confirms my suspicions as, if there has been complicity from museum employees with access to the data and external skills to effectively ‘remanufacture’ parts, including serial bridges, then you can see clearly see how its been done.
My humble opinion is that this has been going on longer than just this watch, it’s got bigger and bigger with things like the alaska watches and then ultimately greed has got the better of the perpitrators, no doubt fuelled by a feeling of invincibility (backed by their unique position and knowledge)
It’s a sad state of affairs as it tarnishes the whole heritage team and the brand we all love, it also shows just how low people to stoop to have such access and knowledge and use it for their personal gains! If you tot up the Alaska’s and this then this is fraud on a very large (for vintage watches) scale!
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aprax
·https://robbreport.com/style/watch-collector/omega-auction-fake-speedmaster-1234852416/
Attributed to a Phillips spokesperson:
“On the extremely rare occasions where a watch is so important that it can be offered despite having a part which is not original or which is made at a later date, then this will be highlighted in the catalog notes or condition report,” the spokesperson said.
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Attributed to a Phillips spokesperson:
“On the extremely rare occasions where a watch is so important that it can be offered despite having a part which is not original or which is made at a later date, then this will be highlighted in the catalog notes or condition report,” the spokesperson said.
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texasmade
·Oftentimes it's a slippery slope, one bad decision after another until they are too deep into it. What might have started with the good intention by an honest person of preserving an early and rare specimen morphed into something more nefarious.
Whatever the cause, only the individuals involved know the truth.
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964RS
·P PerJI would think the dealers that sold the watch and was involved with Omega employees were the ones chasing money. If Omega just wanted a record they wouldn’t be sueing people. They would just put the brown speedy in their museum and be happy.
Big money unfortunately attracts opportunistic behaviour from people with lacking moral and ethics.
This is what I’d like to know. Who was the dealer that submitted this watch for sale through Philips? Surely they have to be a huge part of putting the watch together and creating the piece for sale?
or are we saying the employees issued an extract to themselves and submitted the watch to Philips themselves for sale?
I struggle to believe that…that’s way too obvious. There must have been a 3rd party pulling the strings knowing how it would all work and how to manipulate it all with the auction house etc…
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Mark020
··not the sharpest pencil in the ΩF drawerWe will hear that during the court case. Think it will be a name most of us know
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eugeneandresson
·The article linked above is not the one i allude to (and i wont name names, they, along with facts, will likely/hopefully get published at some point), but if you can get past the ridiculous conspiracy theorems (yeah, there are people today who still believe that people haven't been on the moon 🤦) here is another mishmash of fiction/facts…
https://www.instagram.com/tv/CtMOE5-BYvZ/?igshid=MzRlODBiNWFlZA==
(Not sure how long this will be up…)
https://www.instagram.com/tv/CtMOE5-BYvZ/?igshid=MzRlODBiNWFlZA==
(Not sure how long this will be up…)
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964RS
·The article linked above is not the one i allude to (and i wont name names, they, along with facts, will likely/hopefully get published at some point), but if you can get past the ridiculous conspiracy theorems (yeah, there are people today who still believe that people haven't been on the moon 🤦) here is another mishmash of fiction/facts…
https://www.instagram.com/tv/CtMOE5-BYvZ/?igshid=MzRlODBiNWFlZA==
(Not sure how long this will be up…)
I can’t believe Omega the company were part of this though and wanted it bid up to $4m for publicity. That makes no sense to me. I can understand that the dealer in cahoots with the buyer (who has an authorised figure to go to) can organise for it to be bid up right to that figure as it’s in the interest of the dealer consignor and the corrupt buyer to get as much money out of the sale as possible from Omega if they are sharing the proceeds between them all….
