Pawn shop and Sea Dweller

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So just walked into a local Pawn shop and they have a nice Rolex Sea Dweller in the window for £6450. No info on age, no manual, no evidence that it is legit and clean. The box is present but inside looks like a grease monkey owned in.

I offered £1500 but they declined. I left (am I getting the hang of it?).

What do you think team?
 
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From the pictures it looks brilliant. Or terrible. Hard to tell.
I was asked to leave before I had a chance! I'll sneak in under disguise tomorrow and take a snap...
 
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I was asked to leave before I had a chance! I'll sneak in under disguise tomorrow and take a snap...
Well when you offer them only 23% of their asking price I'd expect you to have to leave too.
 
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Would need a much stronger offer than £1500 even in terrible condition
 
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the problem was no papers, no age, nothing. I'd be concerned do they check for stolen goods?! Hmm...

I keep my papers separate from the box (and watch) as that is my only proof of ownership should they be stolen. The box and watch however are kept in the same room and I know others who keep watches in the boxes - mine live in winders or a watch box.

I was really being suggestive that they have nothing on the watch but it felt like a premium price. I'm sure they'd reach this at auction looking at similar watches but saying that more often they have papers. What do I know..
 
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So you are ok if it is stolen as long as the price is [ridiculously] low?
 
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So you are ok if it is stolen as long as the price is [ridiculously] low? And where is the premium price?
 
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Have had some dealings with H&T in the past... they think they're a boutique dealer, when they're actually a glorified Cash Convertors.

Better deals, and better people to deal with abound.
 
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So you are ok if it is stolen as long as the price is [ridiculously] low? And where is the premium price?
Not at all but that's partly the point I was making... I'm not quite sure how you came to that conclusion
 
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So just walked into a local Pawn shop and they have a nice Rolex Sea Dweller in the window for £6450. No info on age, no manual, no evidence that it is legit and clean. The box is present but inside looks like a grease monkey owned in.

I offered £1500 but they declined. I left (am I getting the hang of it?).

What do you think team?
the problem was no papers, no age, nothing. I'd be concerned do they check for stolen goods?! Hmm...

I keep my papers separate from the box (and watch) as that is my only proof of ownership should they be stolen. The box and watch however are kept in the same room and I know others who keep watches in the boxes - mine live in winders or a watch box.

I was really being suggestive that they have nothing on the watch but it felt like a premium price. I'm sure they'd reach this at auction looking at similar watches but saying that more often they have papers. What do I know..
So you are ok if it is stolen as long as the price is [ridiculously] low? And where is the premium price?
Not at all but that's partly the point I was making... I'm not quite sure how you came to that conclusion

Pretty easy to come to that conclusion....
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So just walked into a local Pawn shop and they have a nice Rolex Sea Dweller in the window for £6450. No info on age, no manual, no evidence that it is legit and clean. The box is present but inside looks like a grease monkey owned in.

I offered £1500 but they declined. I left (am I getting the hang of it?).

What do you think team?

I think your team plays in a different league.
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I'm assuming this was a more contemporary Sea Dweller, like a 16600 perhaps? The only legitimate reason for offering 1500 GBP would be determined by your personal knowledge of the Reference and its current market value based on condition. Therefore an offer of 1500 might be realistic if the watch was in extremely poor condition, perhaps only a few parts salvageable. However, if the watch was in good condition and you were truly interested in purchasing it, then your negotiation amount/offer was insulting. It's never wise to be "persona non grata." If you were genuinely interested in the SD I suspect the shop owner would have removed the bracelet so you could, at the very least, see the Ref. and SN numbers.
 
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If you have watches for sale. Please let us know. So we can get some bargains.
 
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@bonerp
I'm assuming this was a more contemporary Sea Dweller, like a 16600 perhaps? The only legitimate reason for offering 1500 GBP would be determined by your personal knowledge of the Reference and its current market value based on condition. Therefore an offer of 1500 might be realistic if the watch was in extremely poor condition, perhaps only a few parts salvageable. However, if the watch was in good condition and you were truly interested in purchasing it, then your negotiation amount/offer was insulting. It's never wise to be "persona non grata." If you were genuinely interested in the SD I suspect the shop owner would have removed the bracelet so you could, at the very least, see the Ref. and SN numbers.
Unfortunately the young girl in the store had very little idea about it - she was a store manager (according to her badge) and didn't come across as wanting to provide any evidence of its authenticity, age or provenance. Hence my concerns about its legitimacy. I certainly don't want to walk along the road wearing a hot watch. This is quite a large chain but its due diligence on its stock didn't appear to come through strongly.

Let me ask the question a different way to the group as I'm being flamed....

Is spending £6450 on a Rolex SD with no history from a pawn shop sensible? I considered the price with full set about right before I went in...

Personally I think its papers and history are as valuable as the watch itself and unless its a really poor fake, watches are getting harder to ratify unless you are particularly skilled in this hobby...
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Is spending £6450 on a Rolex SD with no history from a pawn shop sensible? I considered the price with full set about right before I went in...

Not at all.

Xupes (who are trustworthy) have a full set for £50 more: https://www.xupes.com/watches/produ...x/sea-dweller-stainless-steel-mens-16600.html

H&T run on the model of: Buy Low, Sell High - Every <insert name of watch> is the same irrespective of condition or missing elements.
 
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And just having a bit more of a dig around, Watchfinder list several 16600's for under £6k that are missing boxes and papers.