Pawn shop and Sea Dweller

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Are pawn shops in UK required to hold an item for an amount of time before its sale, and run it through a police database prior to sale? That’s the law here in USA anyways; maybe there are similar regs there?

In any case, 1500 is completely unreasonable.
 
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Are pawn shops in UK required to hold an item for an amount of time before its sale, and run it through a police database prior to sale? That’s the law here in USA anyways; maybe there are similar regs there?

In any case, 1500 is completely unreasonable.
Unless it's a fake.
How would you price it if there was a 50% chance of it being fake?
Or 50% chance of being stolen, with a strong chance of that coming back to bite you?
 
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Are pawn shops in UK required to hold an item for an amount of time before its sale, and run it through a police database prior to sale? That’s the law here in USA anyways; maybe there are similar regs there?

In any case, 1500 is completely unreasonable.

Many of them you can fully sell an item to, rather than pawn... as I understand it, that's how most of them do business now.

H&T are a big company, so I don't think they'd be knowingly receiving or selling stolen goods - their pricing, and lack of knowledge is just atrocious.
 
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Are pawn shops in UK required to hold an item for an amount of time before its sale, and run it through a police database prior to sale? That’s the law here in USA anyways; maybe there are similar regs there?

In any case, 1500 is completely unreasonable.
No we don’t have quite the same laws regarding hold time and while it is good practice to check if stolen it’s not all that easy for a seller to be sure.
Many of them you can fully sell an item to, rather than pawn... as I understand it, that's how most of them do business now.

H&T are a big company, so I don't think they'd be knowingly receiving or selling stolen goods - their pricing, and lack of knowledge is just atrocious.
Is it H&T? The level of discount within the mangers discretion with them is 20% max. Ask for that nicely you may get it. Could it be nicked? Yes. H&T won’t have sent it to St James and Rolex don’t routinely confirm lost or stolen over the phone AFAIK so yes there could be a nasty surprise with a watch like that further down the road. The main check they make is to take photo ID for anyone buying or selling.
 
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so on the basis that they could not prove its authenticity and I was concerned that the box was, well dirty and handled by a mechanic, £1500 was probably a little high! ::stirthepot::
In all seriousness I could accept "we can vouch for the seller" or "we've done checks" but they didn't and to me a market value watch with no history raises questions and is probably why they've had it for months...
 
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so on the basis that they could not prove its authenticity and I was concerned that the box was, well dirty and handled by a mechanic, £1500 was probably a little high! ::stirthepot::
In all seriousness I could accept "we can vouch for the seller" or "we've done checks" but they didn't and to me a market value watch with no history raises questions and is probably why they've had it for months...
Take a step back. So are you saying that they should sell it to you for £1500 on the basis it may be nicked so should be cheap? I have probably got totally the wrong end of the stick here and if so I apologise but surely as a bricks and mortar retailer they back their stock with the understanding that any future issues will be dealt with correctly so why would they need to discount so greatly? H&T are a national business. They wouldn't knowingly buy or sell a stolen watch but as Chris says above you have to question whether they are equipped to tell.
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It often seems to me, in Australia, the larger the business, the less one should trust it.
I wouldn't trust a multi location pawn business any more than a random seller on the internet.

Other nations will likely have different laws & cultures, but large operations here often use an MO based on "what they can get away with" rather than what is good for the community, or even legal. The concept of future issues being taken care of goes down the drain frequently.
 
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It often seems to me, in Australia, the larger the business, the less one should trust it.
I wouldn't trust a multi location pawn business any more than a random seller on the internet.

Other nations will likely have different laws & cultures, but large operations here often use an MO based on "what they can get away with" rather than what is good for the community, or even legal. The concept of future issues being taken care of goes down the drain frequently.

And thats where I stand on this. Padders I'm certainly not suggesting that a stolen watch is worth £50 let alone even £1500, but without the evidence and history (to me) it isn't worth £6450. So yes, wrong end of the stick.
 
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If it’s legit, without correct bits, and with no service record, it’s likely worth (at retail) the price of one of the Watchfinder units, minus the cost of a Rolex service.
 
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Unless it's a fake.
How would you price it if there was a 50% chance of it being fake?
Or 50% chance of being stolen, with a strong chance of that coming back to bite you?

You think any decent sized pawn shop can’t verify a Rolex? ESP one that sells watches online?
0% chance it’s fake
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So just walked into a local Pawn shop and they have a nice Rolex Sea Dweller in the window for £6450. No info on age, no manual, no evidence that it is legit and clean. The box is present but inside looks like a grease monkey owned in.

I offered £1500 but they declined. I left (am I getting the hang of it?).

What do you think team?
I can offer you a 1991 with papers for 6k, could even provide extensive picturework 😀
 
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I can offer you a 1991 with papers for 6k, could even provide extensive picturework 😀

I like the watch, I like you, the price is good, but I don't have the cash.

Will you take this packet of Haribo instead?


 
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I like the watch, I like you, the price is good, but I don't have the cash.

Will you take this packet of Haribo instead?


Let me sleep a night about that 😀
 
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You think any decent sized pawn shop can’t verify a Rolex? ESP one that sells watches online?
0% chance it’s fake
Just because they can doesn't mean they will, or do the right thing with that info.

In the end, it comes down to trust. In this situation, I have little, you seem to have more.
 
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And thats where I stand on this. Padders I'm certainly not suggesting that a stolen watch is worth £50 let alone even £1500, but without the evidence and history (to me) it isn't worth £6450. So yes, wrong end of the stick.

A watch with papers can’t be a stolen item?
 
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Many of them you can fully sell an item to, rather than pawn... as I understand it, that's how most of them do business now.
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That’s what I was trying to convey. In my city, once a pawn shops buys an item (at least jewelry items) for resale, it must hold onto said item for 23 days before it can be offered for resale. As the pawn employees have explained to me, this is required to slow the movement of “fenced” items. I’m not sure if this a city ordinance, state law or federal law.
 
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Unless it's a fake.
How would you price it if there was a 50% chance of it being fake?
Or 50% chance of being stolen, with a strong chance of that coming back to bite you?

It’s either fake or it’s not. I’d price it at zero in either of those scenarios you present.
 
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As we have only seen a picture of an orange shirt and a bag of lollies in this thread here is a picture of a Rolex Sea-Dweller 16600.
Picture taken of the net, not mine.
 
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Just because they can doesn't mean they will, or do the right thing with that info.

In the end, it comes down to trust. In this situation, I have little, you seem to have more.
It’s a business. They won’t take a fake as it has zero resale. They take a watch on pawn at .3-.5 of its value as collateral. Or .6-.7 for cash.

So yes a known watch reseller pawn shop I would not assume it’s fake. More Rolex get pawned then anything else. They paid 3-4.5k for it and want a return. Frankly your 1.5 is insulting.