Opinion on this Constellation dial

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Good morning, I want to get everyone's opinion before pulling the trigger on one of these. Does the MOY test apply here or only on pie pan dials? (how do you Moy test the one with the brown strap if it's not "officially certified?"
Do these look like a redial? They seem quite "clean" and the sellers say they're untouched.

 
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Welcome to the forum, an introduction, please and thank-you are always a good way to join a community.
 
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Welcome to the forum, an introduction, please and thank-you are always a good way to join a community.
Thanks Dan, sorry I'm just overwhelmed with all the info and opinions regarding vintage watches.
So I'm currently in the market for a vintage constellation as a gift for my brother. I have a few vintage Rolexes and my only Omega is a 20 year old Seamaster 2599.8. Would love to hear someones's opinion on these pieces described above since they have been through multiple owners over the years and it's hard for the seller to know if they've been redialed or not.

Thank you so much!
 
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Hi there. Can’t tell much from those low quality photos. You should ask for high resolution straight photos of those watches.
IMO the first one looks like 14381, the case retains its original edges but the dial i’m not so sure. The MOY test could be applied to almost all the case, not only the pie-pans.
The second one seems to pass the MOY test but the case is heavily polished so IMO you should let it passes
 
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Thanks Hant26 for your input, it’s greatly appreciated. Good eye on the c case polishing. I think I’ll pass on it since the dial seems to be showing its age unevenly.

FYI the c case is listed for 1000usd and the other is 1100usd.
 
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The pictures are really poor but I think it’s likely the first one has a refinished dial.
 
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The pictures are really poor but I think it’s likely the first one has a refinished dial.
Thanks Davidt for your input!

I’m going to pass on these, however while doing my research, another question has come up.

I found a constellation with date window but the caseback says 14900, shouldn’t it be 14902? Seller says it’s original, and I’ve come across other listings like this. Is it a wrong caseback? Replica watches or did omega just piece together parts in transition periods?

https://www.chrono24.ca/omega/omega...36773705.htm?searchHash=dbfc3977_7EqdxK&pos=5
 
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Thanks Davidt for your input!

I’m going to pass on these, however while doing my research, another question has come up.

I found a constellation with date window but the caseback says 14900, shouldn’t it be 14902? Seller says it’s original, and I’ve come across other listings like this. Is it a wrong caseback? Replica watches or did omega just piece together parts in transition periods?

https://www.chrono24.ca/omega/omega...36773705.htm?searchHash=dbfc3977_7EqdxK&pos=5
Very overpolished lugs, very overpriced. Rather than just posting one watch after another, different references, I would spend some time and choose a reference you like and research it so you know what it should look like, what movement to expect, how to spot a good example etc. Then come back with photos for comments. Once you are educated you will make better choice.
 
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Very overpolished lugs, very overpriced.
Thanks I agree on the lugs as well. But my main question is about the caseback showing 14900. Shouldn’t it say 14902?
 
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Thanks I agree on the lugs as well. But my main question is about the caseback showing 14900. Shouldn’t it say 14902?
14900 steel, 14902 for gold capped, so it is correct for the steel case.
 
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Thanks Davidt for your input!

I’m going to pass on these, however while doing my research, another question has come up.

I found a constellation with date window but the caseback says 14900, shouldn’t it be 14902? Seller says it’s original, and I’ve come across other listings like this. Is it a wrong caseback? Replica watches or did omega just piece together parts in transition periods?

https://www.chrono24.ca/omega/omega...36773705.htm?searchHash=dbfc3977_7EqdxK&pos=5



One thing you've learned is obvious.....sellers can say anything....
 
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One thing you've learned is obvious.....sellers can say anything....
One thing you've learned is obvious.....sellers can say anything....
very true, thanks for everyone’s input. I’m still learning, and wanted to know what y’all thought of redials and price? Seller says this one is originally but it doesn’t pass the MOY test, what would you pay for this?


 
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14900 steel, 14902 for gold capped, so it is correct for the steel case.

I’m not sure where you found this information but it’s not correct.

14900 no date dogleg - later, 167.005
14902 date dogleg - later, 168.005

As the dogleg mid-case is common to both, if a dogleg has a date and a 14900 caseback, either the movt/dial have been replaced or the caseback has.
 
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I’m not sure where you found this information but it’s not correct.

14900 no date dogleg - later, 167.005
14902 date dogleg - later, 168.005

As the dogleg mid-case is common to both, if a dogleg has a date and a 14900 caseback, either the movt/dial have been replaced or the caseback has.
That’s exactly what I thought as well, thank you for confirming, much for me to learn!
 
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I’m not sure where you found this information but it’s not correct.

14900 no date dogleg - later, 167.005
14902 date dogleg - later, 168.005

As the dogleg mid-case is common to both, if a dogleg has a date and a 14900 caseback, either the movt/dial have been replaced or the caseback

Thank you for the correction!
 
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For the C case models I think the MOY rule is not always followed there are more dial variations. This grey dial is quite attractive. To evaluate case need angled photos to show if edges are sharp like this. Note the end of lug with sharp bevel as well.
Movement photo blurry but you can see regulator needle all way to one side which suggests need for service, as well as pretty heavy rotor rub so I would factor cost of service $300-500 range.
I would hold out for one with sharp unpolished case these are often overpolished.
What is asking price?
And great article on these C case by Desmond

http://omega-constellation-collecto...onstellation-c-shape-omegas-child-of.html?m=1
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For the C case models I think the MOY rule is not always followed there are more dial variations. This grey dial is quite attractive. To evaluate case need angled photos to show if edges are sharp like this. Note the end of lug with sharp bevel as well.
Movement photo blurry but you can see regulator needle all way to one side which suggests need for service, as well as pretty heavy rotor rub so I would factor cost of service $300-500 range.
I would hold out for one with sharp unpolished case these are often overpolished.
What is asking price?
And great article on these C case by Desmond

http://omega-constellation-collecto...onstellation-c-shape-omegas-child-of.html?m=1


Thanks Sog53 for the detailed info! Yes I quite like that grey sunburst dial, I’m hesitant because of the polishing, rotor rub and Questionable MOY test. It’s listed for $935. But if a service can run another $300-500, what would you pay for this?
 
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I think dial is ok but I’d pass if edges not sharp and with tired movement with issues. That price would be ok if everything is good. But it’s not. Don’t buy one with issues you will regret it.
 
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Thank you for the correction!

You’re welcome.
Case references relate to case style rather than case material.
So, e.g a dateless dogleg is a 14900 or 167.005 no matter if it is steel, gold cap or solid gold.
(Gold deluxe Constellations can have a different reference number but the cases are often dual reference )

For completeness here is a table posted by @gatorcpa in a thread discussing case material codes, which are a prefix to the case reference.

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Here’s a better photo of the c case. Seems to have blistering on the dial.

I got the seller down to $800usd, thoughts on the blistering? Movement seems nice and shiny with no rubbing on the rotor.