Omega's Extract of the Archives - What information is in there and what isn't?

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I ordered last week the extract for my 3592.50.00, numbered A0513. The serial number (4825105X) did not reflected any information on a search on Omega's extranet (helped by forum member) or by my local Omega Boutique, hoping the extract will reflect manufacturing date, country of delivery and confirmation it is from the numbered edition (among other details).
 
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I haven't had the best experience so far. I'm trying to order an extract but am getting the run around by my local OB. I have a beautiful 3590.50 and was hoping the extract might contain the correct strap/bracelet it was shipped with. I can't tell if it was shipped head only, with a leather strap, or mounted on 1 of 3 possible bracelets. Is this info supplied?

My local OB wanted to charge a FULL service on top of the extract because it is vintage. (almost $1000 total) They said they do no want to be liable for damage or claim once they open the case of unknown history... My friends chalked it up to salesman upcharging... Their reason is understandable but laughable at the same time.

Could someone share the PDF of the form so I can mail it off to Bienne? The site does not service in the US. I've emailed Omega US customer services and they point back to the website. So I'm at square one. Thanks for any help/guidance!
 
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I haven't had the best experience so far. I'm trying to order an extract but am getting the run around by my local OB. I have a beautiful 3590.50 and was hoping the extract might contain the correct strap/bracelet it was shipped with. I can't tell if it was shipped head only, with a leather strap, or mounted on 1 of 3 possible bracelets. Is this info supplied?

My local OB wanted to charge a FULL service on top of the extract because it is vintage. (almost $1000 total) They said they do no want to be liable for damage or claim once they open the case of unknown history... My friends chalked it up to salesman upcharging... Their reason is understandable but laughable at the same time.

Could someone share the PDF of the form so I can mail it off to Bienne? The site does not service in the US. I've emailed Omega US customer services and they point back to the website. So I'm at square one. Thanks for any help/guidance!

Send me your email through PM to send you the PDF form 😉
 
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Send me your email through PM to send you the PDF form 😉
Thanks @fskywalker! Omega customer service came through via email! Request form sent and the waiting game begins!
 
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I was at the museum in August. Staff pulled up the data they had specifically at my 1970s era mark 3. It was a computer imagine of a 3 x 8 inch card. It had model, date, destination, etc. Staff indicated that they had much more info (not sure exactly what much more was) for watches after a certain year (I think he said 1975). They will not share the image they have on record, but they use the info to create the Extract.
I also asked him to look up my 1992 18k Speedmaster skeleton, but there was no record on this one.


So the computer image of a card had date, destination, now could you please elaborate on “etc” you are referring to .

Before 1975 what sort of info were they able to supply info the remarks section ?

Could you lead them ; For example if you told them of a certain manufacturing condition would they indicate that verbatim in the remarks section ?
 
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So the computer image of a card had date, destination, now could you please elaborate on “etc” you are referring to .

Before 1975 what sort of info were they able to supply info the remarks section ?

Could you lead them ; For example if you told them of a certain manufacturing condition would they indicate that verbatim in the remarks section ?

He pulled up the microfisch card on computer but without my glasses I could not see specific information. I asked if it was okay to take a pic, but he said sure as long as I would agree I would not share it, so I passed on taking pic. I never sensed I could lead him, he looked up my serial number, took notes and my old extract and said he would follow up with a replacement extract.

I suspect on some vintage models there may not be info related to dial color (in this example) on those vintage watches that had same case/model number. So for example, the Mark III has one case/model number irrespective of it being a black dial, blue dial or gray dial. So perhaps by default they state black luminous dial when these requests come in. The exact same thing happened on my Mark II request. Even though it's a racing dial, it came back black luminous dial.
 
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Thankyou, I found that very interesting insight



I won’t labour this point because Ive discussed this issue before but not in this context , I refer to the Casebacks of 2 models ,165.024 and the 166.024 where by they were printed up with Speedmaster.

This has intrigued me for some time, a member of this forum uploaded an E of A which stated in the remarks quote,
“Part of a small batch with casebooks misprinted with Speedmaster” ….. his 300 was model ST165.024 with a production date of Dec 4th 1967.

My 166.024 is late 1969 model also has “ Speedmaster’ case back. The difference of 2 years between these builds is a considerable time span for the small batch ( to run ), and also consider that mine is HF build and and another Ive seen has a CB build with these“Speedmaster” case backs, so we’re dealing with 2 manufactures..( the correct model number is stamped on the inside in both of these watches)

I tried unsuccessfully to get an answer to this question from Omega in Switzerland by letter many years ago and it remained unresolved till the light of this recent E of A.

………. also “misprinted “is how Omega described this anomaly on the Caseback……..What does that it mean in context of fitting the correct watch back for that model ?

Does it it mean they failed, and sent out watches with the wrong case back without realizing, or did they use case backs they had on hand from both manufactures CB and HF over a period of years, and this didn’t faze them.

I ask the pertinent questions,
Where did Omega get this info now, did they really have this info on file……………….or was this question proposed to them on the application form ?

The info supplied by Omega in the” Remarks on the E of A “ just doesn’t seem to fit for me but I could be wrong..

Maybe I should apply for E of A with out making mention of this case back “Misprint” in the remarks and see what happens .
 
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I have ordered 4 extracts through my local boutique, 145.012-67, 145.022-68, 145.022-74 and a 145.0040 (pretty cool speedy, look it up). I have never used the online form and usually do this over the phone just by providing the serial and reference #
 
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I've tried to both google and search this site but failed. Question is: how usual/unusual is it that bracelet is mentioned in the EoA?

Was kinda let down when no bracelet is mentioned in my EoA, pretty sure the 1506 was delivered with my 105.012...
 
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I've tried to both google and search this site but failed. Question is: how usual/unusual is it that bracelet is mentioned in the EoA?

Was kinda let down when no bracelet is mentioned in my EoA, pretty sure the 1506 was delivered with my 105.012...
I think this is quite common for pre 1970’s watches. Seems to be more common to mention the exact bracelet type once production date gets into the 70’s. Just a personal observation from numerous extracts I’ve had myself.
 
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I think this is quite common for pre 1970’s watches. Seems to be more common to mention the exact bracelet type once production date gets into the 70’s. Just a personal observation from numerous extracts I’ve had myself.

As far as I remember, in the sixties, the watches weren't delivered to Omega dealers on straps or bracelets, as full sets. It was the seller fitting a bracelet, according to Omega model/reference guidelines, from his own stock. Same for boxes and warranties. This might explain why bracelets aren't mentioned in the EoAs for that period 😉
 
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Robert-Jan did an excellent Speedy Tuesday article about the EOA process on 12/07/2016.
All you need to know is there.
When I ordered an extract for my 105.012 about 10 years ago I submitted the serial and case numbers.
Within a couple of days the extract department e-mailed me asking me to check the serial number again because it didn't match the case. Sure enough, I had misread a 6 for an 8. I received the extract within a week.
I guess they weren't so busy in those days.

How did you obtain the case number? I have no idea where to look...
 
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Do you mean "Case Ref:"

Thats just the reference number like 2913-3, 165.024, etc.
 
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Just received a reply concerning my extract application.stating application is cancelled as movement and reference/model numbers don’t match.that’s it,no explanation.no refund either!
 
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Just received a reply concerning my extract application.stating application is cancelled as movement and reference/model numbers don’t match.that’s it,no explanation.no refund either!

Sorry to read that. This can happen. It’s a risk you take when you apply for an extract. Their research work is done and their time consumed : it is what you paid for.

Don’t know what’s most frustrating though, to have paid for no archive or to have paid for a watch that happens to be somehow wrong...
 
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In Switzerland you have to send a picture of the watch's dial, the inside of the case back for the reference and a picture of the movement where
the movement number is clearly to be seen.

This is my experience.
Note: The service is unavailable at the moment.

Cheers
 
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I wrote again to Omega a few years ago to try to pin them down on the fitting of the incorrect “Speedmaster” case back, and to find out how much they knew regarding the fitting of these “Speedmaster case back to the Seamaster 300.
They told me zero in the 70's
This time they said it was fitted with the wrong case back in the above letter, but it is odd that some one on the assembly line didn’t question these fittings, considering the correct model number was stamped on the inside case back.
 
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As i mentioned last night, i ONLY give Omega the serial number ( ie 24,000,xxxx)

That way, there is absolutley no “leading the witness” and Omega can only report back on what information THEY hold on said serial number

I have done this 4 times

1) first time for a 18k connie - they confirmed case number ( dog legged 168.005), cal 561, 18k rose gold, and that it was delivered to Angola, of all places in 1966

2) second time for another 18k connie - they confirmed case number (14381), cal 551, 18k yellow gold case, and that it was delivered to Ireland in 1962. This was of critical importance, as this then explained why there were Irish hallmarks on the putside of the case - in fact the import authorities had hallmark stamps for dublin, 1962, 18k etc all over the case back medallion ( all over the stars in fact)

3) 3rd time for a speedmaster mark 4.5 - they confirmed ref (176.012), SS case, delivered to UK in 1983, and the bracelet type ( which was still on the watch)

4) 4th time for a speedmaster 145.022 - they confirmed the ref, del in 1983 also to uk, the bracelet type ( which was still on the watch etc

They could only have this info from their archives - i provided none of the above, so for me, this was good value

Of course, a scumbag could have asked omega previously for information on a particular serial, and then built a watch to represent the info on the archive - but then they would have sold said fraken watch along WITH THE ARCHIVE, for more £££

So i am 99% confident i have 4 original watches in my possession
Hello Shirbie - appreciating your post is from quite a few years ago, is there any chance you have (or could take) a photo of the Irish hallmark(s)? I'd be so interested to see it.