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As a still-new person who joined with a few questions, did a little research, and got all my questions answered before I made it to my first post, then lost interest ~6 months in due to repeatedly jumping in to offer unhelpful advice (more often than not, bad advice), I must say, it's rough being on the other side too. 🤦 I would like to pass on useful knowledge, however going to the effort of learning enough to actually be useful, really IS a chore!

(In my case, eventually curiosity and "wanting to help" brought me back. Time will tell, if my greater error was in leaving or in returning.)

Don't be discouraged.

Don't forget the adage that it takes 10,000 hours to become an expert at anything. You might not be able to give good advise for a long time, and that's perfectly OK.

We all need to soak up information more than we need to expel it, would really help with the disinformation that's running wild in our little blue marble lately.

Many of these people have been doing real world watch collecting for 30+ years, takes a long time to catch up. If you can't help, that just means you have more to learn. That's a good thing, not a bad thing.

https://www.inc.com/jordan-scheltge...xpert-in-anything-use-these-4-techniques.html

I'm right there with you and many others. Low post count be damned.
 
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@Ericthegreek :
Be aware that the minute hand is wrong. It is short and it should have a solid metal tip like the hour hand.
So, though it is a likable watch as you wrote in your OP and all your critics seem to agree with, IMO you shouldn't pay full price for it.
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We cannot expect from people to be perfectly courteous all the time to everyone. A person's view of how a forum interacts is usually formed by how his or her own posts has been received and this will vary in accordance with a number of things - has @watchyouwant had his first coffee of the day before replying? Is @ConElPueblo stressed out from family business and annoyed that people asks questions a minimum of research could have answered?

All are variables.

In a recent thread, I answered (I can see this in hindsight) pretty bluntly on a question regarding a terrible, terrible redial/franken someone was considering buying and the thread - like this one - ended up being about how we communicate on the forum rather than the "merits" of said watch. I frankly didn't intend to offend anyone, but there you go. I rest assured that the majority of my other posts on here have been helpful and appreciated.

Anyway, a few days after a new member posted a watch he had just purchased. It was that same, awful piece. He could have avoided buying it if he had done a sliver of research prior to buying it.

I'll link to the two threads here and see if you guys can spot the interesting detail.

https://omegaforums.net/threads/fifties-omega-30mm-sword-hands.132426/

https://omegaforums.net/threads/identifying-this-omega-seamaster.132497/


Danwales Danwales
Hi Eric
You are not the only one left slightly perturbed by the " caustic" tone ( as referred to by @ConElPueblo) recently. I myself have felt that some comments by a small minority are unnecessarily sour ( its often a couple of usual suspects).

Just bear in mind that some of those usual suspects have spent years on this forum, adding to the collective knowledge and asking nothing in return.

It is all here for everyone to dig into.
 
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In my opinion if you have already done research on a watch you should clearly indicate that fact. Flying over saying "here is a watch -- what do you think of it and what is it worth" and not taking the 5 minutes needed to write up what you have already determined (or suspect) means you don't deserve for other people to take their valuable time to help you.
 
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Before we wring our hands too much about the OP and his toys out of the pram hissy fit, remember it was he that also posted about buying this a few weeks back.


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Now he was treated gently and with sympathy for that error, though also bit rather when he was was also advised to go away and do some homework since he was clearly not yet equipped for this kind of buying. The fact he then posted a second 'I have no idea what it is, what's it worth' rather than offering any kind of opinion himself may have lead to the response he got.

In short, you buy this kind of thing and quite frankly you haven't yet qualified to discuss vintage Omegas.
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ooooh, did he pass on that watch? Do you have the seller's contact info?



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BlackTalon BlackTalon
ooooh, did he pass on that watch? Do you have the seller's contact info?



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No its worse. He bought it.
 
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No its worse. He bought it.


ConElPueblo ConElPueblo
In a recent thread, I answered (I can see this in hindsight) pretty bluntly on a question regarding a terrible, terrible redial/franken someone was considering buying and the thread - like this one - ended up being about how we communicate on the forum rather than the "merits" of said watch. I frankly didn't intend to offend anyone, but there you go. I rest assured that the majority of my other posts on here have been helpful and appreciated.

Anyway, a few days after a new member posted a watch he had just purchased. It was that same, awful piece. He could have avoided buying it if he had done a sliver of research prior to buying it.

I'll link to the two threads here and see if you guys can spot the interesting detail.

https://omegaforums.net/threads/fifties-omega-30mm-sword-hands.132426/

https://omegaforums.net/threads/identifying-this-omega-seamaster.132497/

Indeed...

And did so after a post had been made about how awful a watch it was.
 
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As someone who's still too afraid to buy a watch before posting it here first, but also too afraid to post a watch here in case it is a good example and someone else buys it, I at times wish there was a sticky thread similar to the one in the modern omega forum "Is this watch real or fake" - it would take some of the stress off making a new post and waiting to potentially be ripped into for posting a horrible watch lol.
 
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As someone who's still too afraid to buy a watch before posting it here first, but also too afraid to post a watch here in case it is a good example and someone else buys it, I at times wish there was a sticky thread similar to the one in the modern omega forum "Is this watch real or fake" - it would take some of the stress off making a new post and waiting to potentially be ripped into for posting a horrible watch lol.

Unfortunately the likelihood that a new member would actually read a sticky seems dubious...
 
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Yeah that's a fair point, there are far fewer than there used to be though so maybe it would catch an eye. I think the individual thread provides more detail and opportunity for people to actually talk about the watch that's posted too. Still a little nerve racking to hit that post button though.
 
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Unfortunately the likelihood that a new member would actually read a sticky seems dubious...
To be fair, some people expect you to read Troels’ how to fish thread and that you magically become an expert. Also, I commented on the OPs previous thread that this was a fantasy dial, but I could not remember who posted it until it was mentioned here. Anyway, I doubt everyone else made the connection and it should not really matter regarding someone’s response, especially the tone. If I have a bad day, I prefer not to engage, not to take it out to a fellow member! They are a lot of members here who indeed generously and unconditionally provide their valuable time and insights (so I can understand the frustration regarding posts about buying advice with no insight offered from new members), but also some who think that educating people on rare and desirable variants increases competition!
 
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To be fair, some people expect you to read Troels’ how to fish thread and that you magically become an expert. Also, I commented on the OPs previous thread that this was a fantasy dial, but I could not remember who posted it until it was mentioned here. Anyway, I doubt everyone else made the connection and it should not really matter regarding someone’s response, especially the tone. If I have a bad day, I prefer not to engage, not to take it out to a fellow member! They are a lot of members here who indeed generously and unconditionally provide their valuable time and insights (so I can understand the frustration regarding posts about buying advice with no insight offered from new members), but also some who think that educating people on rare and desirable variants increases competition!

Just to be clear, I wasn't engaging in the main argument in this thread, just pointing out that stickies are nearly universally ineffective at communicating to new members.

However since you brought me into that side of this discussion, I'll give my view. Yes, sometimes people here are too short with new members, but we are all human and someone may be having a bad day. Yes, maybe they shouldn't reply, but again we are all human.

My feeling is in general people who are complaining sometimes come across as very entitled in their requests (no please or thank you, no introduction, just "tell me about this"), and when they get an answer that might be a bit snippy, they often over react. I think some need to keep in mind that what you see publicly on the forum is only part of what people do in answering requests from random people who show up here on the forum. I know there are many here including myself who are constantly getting these same requests by PM, often from people who have zero posts on the forum so are not contributors at all. Again they are often so direct to be considered rude, and I have often experienced that when I answer I never even get response or a simple thank you.

People sometimes treat this place like "Omega-Google" expecting answers to magically pop up and not understanding that someone has to take time out of their day to actually answer them.

There's fault on both sides here...but again we are all human.
 
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My feeling is in general people who are complaining sometimes come across as very entitled in their requests (no please or thank you, no introduction, just "tell me about this"), and when they get an answer that might be a bit snippy, they often over react.

Yup, it's the attitude. You can see it a mile off.

Interestingly, some of them then continue to carry a chip on their shoulder and complain and complain in subsequent threads about how they and others have been so badly treated by the "usual suspects". This basically becomes their main reason to participate. After complaining about the forum and membership, these people sometimes make a highly public farewell to the forum, but don't actually leave.
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Yup, it's the attitude. You can see it a mile off.

Interestingly, some of them then continue to carry a chip on their shoulder and complain and complain in subsequent threads about how they and others have been so badly treated by the "usual suspects". This basically becomes their main reason to participate. After complaining about the forum and membership, these people sometimes make a highly public farewell to the forum, but don't actually leave.

At least now the site gets some Ad revenue from them 😉
 
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ConElPueblo ConElPueblo
We cannot expect from people to be perfectly courteous all the time to everyone. A person's view of how a forum interacts is usually formed by how his or her own posts has been received and this will vary in accordance with a number of things - has @watchyouwant had his first coffee of the day before replying? Is @ConElPueblo stressed out from family business and annoyed that people asks questions a minimum of research could have answered?

All are variables.

In a recent thread, I answered (I can see this in hindsight) pretty bluntly on a question regarding a terrible, terrible redial/franken someone was considering buying and the thread - like this one - ended up being about how we communicate on the forum rather than the "merits" of said watch. I frankly didn't intend to offend anyone, but there you go. I rest assured that the majority of my other posts on here have been helpful and appreciated.

Anyway, a few days after a new member posted a watch he had just purchased. It was that same, awful piece. He could have avoided buying it if he had done a sliver of research prior to buying it.

I'll link to the two threads here and see if you guys can spot the interesting detail.

https://omegaforums.net/threads/fifties-omega-30mm-sword-hands.132426/

https://omegaforums.net/threads/identifying-this-omega-seamaster.132497/




Just bear in mind that some of those usual suspects have spent years on this forum, adding to the collective knowledge and asking nothing in return.

It is all here for everyone to dig into.
ConElPueblo ConElPueblo
We cannot expect from people to be perfectly courteous all the time to everyone. A person's view of how a forum interacts is usually formed by how his or her own posts has been received and this will vary in accordance with a number of things - has @watchyouwant had his first coffee of the day before replying? Is @ConElPueblo stressed out from family business and annoyed that people asks questions a minimum of research could have answered?

All are variables.

In a recent thread, I answered (I can see this in hindsight) pretty bluntly on a question regarding a terrible, terrible redial/franken someone was considering buying and the thread - like this one - ended up being about how we communicate on the forum rather than the "merits" of said watch. I frankly didn't intend to offend anyone, but there you go. I rest assured that the majority of my other posts on here have been helpful and appreciated.

Anyway, a few days after a new member posted a watch he had just purchased. It was that same, awful piece. He could have avoided buying it if he had done a sliver of research prior to buying it.

I'll link to the two threads here and see if you guys can spot the interesting detail.

https://omegaforums.net/threads/fifties-omega-30mm-sword-hands.132426/

https://omegaforums.net/threads/identifying-this-omega-seamaster.132497/




Just bear in mind that some of those usual suspects have spent years on this forum, adding to the collective knowledge and asking nothing in return.

It is all here for everyone to dig into.
Dan S Dan S
Yup, it's the attitude. You can see it a mile off.

Interestingly, some of them then continue to carry a chip on their shoulder and complain and complain in subsequent threads about how they and others have been so badly treated by the "usual suspects". This basically becomes their main reason to participate. After complaining about the forum and membership, these people sometimes make a highly public farewell to the forum, but don't actually leave.
Dan S Dan S
Yup, it's the attitude. You can see it a mile off.

Interestingly, some of them then continue to carry a chip on their shoulder and complain and complain in subsequent threads about how they and others have been so badly treated by the "usual suspects". This basically becomes their main reason to participate. After complaining about the forum and membership, these people sometimes make a highly public farewell to the forum, but don't actually leave.

You namesake Dan, were one of the usual suspects I was referring to. You never disappoint with a chippy comment here or a snide remark there. I would have bet my house you would comment on this. Given short odds too. You never disapoint. Unfortunately as I have pointed out ( nobody has given advice on this) it's hard to leave the group so I am reduced to being a lurker here. Sorry..
 
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You namesake Dan, were one of the usual suspects I was referring to. You never disappoint with a chippy comment here or a snide remark there. I would have bet my house you would comment on this. Given short odds too. You never disapoint. Unfortunately as I have pointed out ( nobody has given advice on this) it's hard to leave the group so I am reduced to being a lurker here. Sorry..

Lurkers aren't required to participate, especially if they never contribute anything substantive. BTW, there is one way to leave the group, but just making minor insults here and there isn't enough, you'll have to ramp it up a bit.
 
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Lurkers aren't required to participate, especially if they never contribute anything substantive. BTW, there is one way to leave the group, but just making minor insults here and there isn't enough, you'll have to ramp it up a bit.

I am a fairly new member. Own one redial and don't have a large amount of knowledge. So far however I hope I have been helpful to at least one new member by recomending a good watch repairer here in the UK ( which she has taken me up on) and shared a few stories. I hope I have been courteous in communication with @Archer and @ConElPueblo who have been very helpful towards me. Moving forward @Dan S maybe best if you don't comment on my posts and I won't comment on yours.
 
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Moving forward @Dan S maybe best if you don't comment on my posts and I won't comment on yours.

You're welcome to refrain from commenting on my posts.
 
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