Omega Lemania Seamaster Soccer

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I have seen several "Troy-Lemania" around. Including regular timers. Having local companies on your side was often an advantage when fighting for military/gov. contracts. My best guess is that this is the main reason for the Troy connection in SA.

@matthewt
Once you start to look, they are everywhere.

-> Google image search for Lemania troy watch
-> To speak the second part of the commercial problem with SA, i think it was done through proxy in Luxembourg or France based on an old procurement docco.

Note these proofs people speak of i have none. Possible in Lemania's historical archives if they are ever located.

What i am willing to offer is: Wild speculations, Throwing of sticky things at the wall. Rocking horse poo, pre owned-Unicorns
And many other fun things like theory crafting.

Maybe @Syrte can offer some mil assistance

evening all
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Hi!

I have seen several "Troy-Lemania" around. Including regular timers. Having local companies on your side was often an advantage when fighting for military/gov. contracts. My best guess is that this is the main reason for the Troy connection in SA.

Omega and Lemania was, together with Tissot and others, in the same group of companies from the 1930s up into the 1980s.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Société_Suisse_pour_l'Industrie_Horlogère
Lemania was sold off in the early 1980s as a part of a plan to save the group from bankruptcy following the "quartz crisis", and the group later formed the basis of todays Swatch Group.

To your main question:
During the times within SSHI, Lemania made all chronorgraph movments, and most completed chronograph watches for all the brands within the group, Omega included.
Omega did not have any "in-house" chronograph production until later (caliber 861 production equipment was transferred to Omega at some point in time after Lemania was sold off during the 1980s.

For tool/military watches there are several examples of dual references. The same applies for a few civilian models as well.
Most cases was exclusive for Omega, Tissot or Lemania, but some was used for all.
After Lemania was sold out from SSHI, Lemania was seemingly left with stocks of various cases and movements. I have a couple of examples where Omega brands have been ground out, and Lemania references added. Same case, but as the companies was at that time no longer within the same group, any ties had to be removed prior to sale. Times was hard in Switzerland during the 80s.... 😉

Cheers!
Thanks so much for your comprehensive reply, certainly an interesting time for all Swiss watch companies post Quartz crisis. I guess it was buy outs and amalgamations of companies that ultimately saved the industry. The swatch group has almost become a monopoly in South Africa, having bought up most of the big brands barring a few. Thanks again, appreciate the time taken.
 
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@matthewt
Once you start to look, they are everywhere.

-> Google image search for Lemania troy watch
-> To speak the second part of the commercial problem with SA, i think it was done through proxy in Luxembourg or France based on an old procurement docco.

Note these proofs people speak of i have none. Possible in Lemania's historical archives if they are ever located.

What i am willing to offer is: Wild speculations, Throwing of sticky things at the wall. Rocking horse poo, pre owned-Unicorns
And many other fun things like theory crafting.

Maybe @Syrte can offer some mil assistance

evening all
::stirthepot:: p
Thanks, most of those images are from my sons websites, www.origintime.co.za and www.crownsandchronos.co.za. He met with one of the Piguets and picked his brain for history and the story. As he was the grandson, not all info was firsthand and there was also much speculation. Subsequent to finding this watch, i am trying to meet with him again to find out if there are any order books or records of orders from Lemania or Omega. Ill keep all posted to my findings.......
 
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Hi!

I have seen several "Troy-Lemania" around. Including regular timers. Having local companies on your side was often an advantage when fighting for military/gov. contracts. My best guess is that this is the main reason for the Troy connection in SA.

Omega and Lemania was, together with Tissot and others, in the same group of companies from the 1930s up into the 1980s.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Société_Suisse_pour_l'Industrie_Horlogère
Lemania was sold off in the early 1980s as a part of a plan to save the group from bankruptcy following the "quartz crisis", and the group later formed the basis of todays Swatch Group.

To your main question:
During the times within SSHI, Lemania made all chronorgraph movments, and most completed chronograph watches for all the brands within the group, Omega included.
Omega did not have any "in-house" chronograph production until later (caliber 861 production equipment was transferred to Omega at some point in time after Lemania was sold off during the 1980s.

For tool/military watches there are several examples of dual references. The same applies for a few civilian models as well.
Most cases was exclusive for Omega, Tissot or Lemania, but some was used for all.
After Lemania was sold out from SSHI, Lemania was seemingly left with stocks of various cases and movements. I have a couple of examples where Omega brands have been ground out, and Lemania references added. Same case, but as the companies was at that time no longer within the same group, any ties had to be removed prior to sale. Times was hard in Switzerland during the 80s.... 😉

Cheers!
Thanks for your detailed reply....makes sense......sorry mine was slow....completely missed this one....