Omega cosmic moonphase

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UncleBuck

·Dec 25, 2019·understands the decision making hierarchy

I'm worried, MU might be Spanish for FU!

 

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ToBiDi

·Dec 25, 2019

Dan S

that price is way too good to be true if the piece is actually legit and totally original.

That was my first thought too. I also wrote the seller in case he has more information about the history of the watch.

 

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airansun

·Dec 25, 2019

The OMEGA on the dial isn’t right. It’s a really nice redial, but it’s a redial.

This was sold on eBay in the past few months:

serial #12591021, another 381 movement

 

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Evitzee

·Dec 25, 2019

I doubt if the case material isn't 18k, it looks ok from that standpoint. Nothing would raise a flag to say it isn't gold. The dial has definitely been redone/touched up, but a reasonably good job. If you know the dial isn't completely original, and if the redial is well done, I'm not one of those that rejects it out of hand. The price is good for what the watch is, a pretty attractive Cosmic. Too many people get hung up if the watch isn't 100% all original and never seen more than a light touch with a Selvyt cloth. These items were made to be used, and they were, there are very few that have existed untouched and in stellar condition.

 

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X350 XJR

·Dec 25, 2019·Vintage Omega Aficionado

As previously noted the OMEGA is way off, there is no question in my mind OPs watch is a redial and as I noted previously the case is not one I've seen from a SWISS maker...

Here is one of MSNs from a previous post for dial comparison.

 

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UncleBuck

·Dec 25, 2019·understands the decision making hierarchy

Wow, that sure clears up the font question in my mind.
Get your (small) deposit back!

 

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ToBiDi

·Dec 25, 2019

Thanks for the research. About the case, I have found a few ones with the same one, so I hope that should not be an issue:

However, this one also has the same OMEGA font as the one I am currently looking at. Is this a redial too then?

 

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UncleBuck

·Dec 25, 2019·understands the decision making hierarchy

ToBiDi

Thanks for the research. About the case, I have found a few ones with the same one, so I hope that should not be an issue:

However, this one also has the same OMEGA font as the one I am currently looking at. Is this a redial too then?

It has the same offset marker at 6.........hmmmmmmm, is this in Spanish also?

 

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ToBiDi

·Dec 25, 2019

Yep, sab stands for sabado, so definitely spanish

 

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MSNWatch

·Dec 25, 2019·Vintage Omega Aficionado

Several examples on the web of this one - same case and same dial and hands. Not familiar with it but might take a chance on this one if the price was right.

 

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omegastar

·Dec 26, 2019

Just to get this thread on the right tracks...
MAR MAR Is mardi / mars for Tuesday / March in French.
SAB LUG Is sabato / luglio for Saturday / July in Italian.

 

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gatorcpa

·Dec 26, 2019·ΩF InvestiGator

I also was able to find another Cosmic like the OP’s on Chrono24.

Same dial, case and hallmarks, but different serial number and engraving on the back.

The buckles are even similar.

However, these do not look like early 1950’s style Omega buckles.

I think there is a lot more research that needs to be done on these.

gatorcpa

 

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Archer

·Dec 26, 2019·Omega Qualified Watchmaker

Claven2

Base metal is the movement spacer. Not the case.

Yes, clearly a spacer, and I suspect the movement comes out the front on this one.

 

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ToBiDi

·Dec 28, 2019

I think I found a credible source that would confirm the originality of the dial as it is. The 'dink featured this exact case and dial in one of their under the loupe section. It is the exact same font as well. Any thoughts?

https://www.hodinkee.com/articles/bring-a-loupe-july-31-2015

 

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ToBiDi

·Dec 28, 2019

gatorcpa

However, these do not look like early 1950’s style Omega buckles.

gatorcpa

And just because the question about the buckle came up, here is an image of the one that would come with the watch:



Does that look like a 50's buckle?

 

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X350 XJR

·Dec 28, 2019·Vintage Omega Aficionado

ToBiDi

And just because the question about the buckle came up, here is an image of the one that would come with the watch:



Does that look like a 50's buckle?

No, that's 1960s, certainly not contemporary to the watch.

 

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X350 XJR

·Dec 28, 2019·Vintage Omega Aficionado

I'm still very skeptical about these.

Here is the watch from the article you posted.

http://www.lemuseonline.com/watches-for-sale/omega/904-omega-cosmic-bp.html

Not a 1950s vintage box, not a 1950s vintage strap/buckle and not paperwork from the 1950s.

 

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ToBiDi

·Dec 28, 2019

Hmm, do you think that Omegas extracts from the archives would give clarity about this topic? Or what source i could use to deepen my research about this? I already tried to find old omega advertising to see if the case and dial can be found anywhere.

 

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gatorcpa

·Dec 28, 2019·ΩF InvestiGator

ToBiDi

Hmm, do you think that Omegas extracts from the archives would give clarity about this topic? Or what source i could use to deepen my research about this? I already tried to find old omega advertising to see if the case and dial can be found anywhere.

No. The extract will confirm only the case reference, date of delivery to a wholesaler and country of delivery.

Your best best is eBay and other auction house completed item listings.
gatorcpa

 

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CaptainWinsor

·Dec 28, 2019

UncleBuck

I'm worried, MU might be Spanish for FU!

Oscar Madison:
I can't take it anymore, Felix, I'm cracking up. Everything you do irritates me. And when you're not here, the things I know you're gonna do when you come in irritate me. You leave me little notes on my pillow. Told you 158 times I can't stand little notes on my pillow. "We're all out of cornflakes. F.U." Took me three hours to figure out F.U. was Felix Ungar!