Omega Constellation 1966

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Hi, in 3h I'm about to purchase an Omega Constellation from 1966 but after doing some reserach I'm not sure
those hands with luminousity (?) q1GSBMm ever gets combined with the arrowhead-shape? Do anyone know for sure?
Thanks a lot!
 
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Well, you might want to introduce yourself, as a courtesy, post more and better photos (including caseback in and out and movement) rather than links, and give us an indication of the price. At 50 cents it’s a steal, at 5000 dollars it’s overpriced.
 
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Well, you might want to introduce yourself, as a courtesy, post more and better photos (including caseback in and out and movement) rather than links, and give us an indication of the price. At 50 cents it’s a steal, at 5000 dollars it’s overpriced.

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But also are you sure that it is a 1966 watch?

Whilst arrowhead doglegs do exist, they are uncommon and tend to be early types i.e. 14900/14902s (very occasionally later but only very early 167.005/168.005s -like 1963)

Arrowhead dials like this do not appear in any Constellations as late as 66 unless transplanted from another watch.
 
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Hi, thanks for your answer! I'm a newly interested watch noobie. My spouse have 4-5 vintage watches which got me intrigued. I immediately fell in love with the Omegas from the 50-60s era which led to some online bidding on some Seamasters and Genèves (did not win). Shortely after I fell in love with the Constellation Pie Pan (love everything about it) and found one for 1700 dollars. The owner claims it's original except for the crystal.

I tried to embed the picture but I failed hence the url. I'm sorry but the picture is all I have. I haven't seen the watch in person yet. I'm mainly interested if anyone knows if originally the arrowhead combines with those hands. I know that the Constellation comes in a variety of combos but I haven't seen that one. (Auto 561, Ref 168.005).

I completely understand if nobody is able to help in such a short notice! I might buy it anyway.
 
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Hi, thanks for your answer! I'm a newly interested watch noobie. My spouse have 4-5 vintage watches which got me intrigued. I immediately fell in love with the Omegas from the 50-60s era which led to some online bidding on some Seamasters and Genèves (did not win). Shortely after I fell in love with the Constellation Pie Pan (love everything about it) and found one for 1700 dollars. The owner claims it's original except for the crystal.

I tried to embed the picture but I failed hence the url. I'm sorry but the picture is all I have. I haven't seen the watch in person yet. I'm mainly interested if anyone knows if originally the arrowhead combines with those hands. I know that the Constellation comes in a variety of combos but I haven't seen that one. (Auto 561, Ref 168.005).

I completely understand if nobody is able to help in such a short notice! I might buy it anyway.

To answer your question - A non-lume dial should not ordinarily have lumed hands.
However, a previous owner may have had them swapped out to see the hands in the dark.
(note: there are earlier -50s- examples of lumed hands and non-lumed dials that some think may have started life that way - perhaps as 'special order'?)

It depends on what you are looking for in terms of originality but at the risk of repeating myself - if this is a 1966 dogleg, the hands are not the problem - the watch didn't come out of the factory with that dial (no constellation did that late) so it is a 'frankenwatch'.

what is the movt serial number?
Is $1700 the price the seller is asking for this watch?
 
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Wow okay, fantastic information. Thanks a lot! So then it might not even be worth like 1200 dollars? I know it's probably hard to say without looking at the movement etc. All 8 stars are visible but two are pretty worn out. It's a bummer because I really liked the look of the watch.
 
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But on the positive side, you still have $1500 to spend on a better watch
 
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Wow okay, fantastic information. Thanks a lot! So then it might not even be worth like 1200 dollars? I know it's probably hard to say without looking at the movement etc. All 8 stars are visible but two are pretty worn out. It's a bummer because I really liked the look of the watch.

If it is indeed a 1966 watch, it has a soft-ish but ok case, worn down medallion and incorrect dial.
As a nice dress watch it is worth whatever someone is willing to pay.
As a vintage collectable Omega, it is essentially a parts watch - not worth half of the asking price.

Arrowhead doglegs are really quite uncommon as they are something of an anachronism (the dials were originally meant for earlier case references not doglegs)
So you are setting yourself a very tough task to find a genuine one, if that is what you really want (think years, not months, of searching)
A genuine one should be no later than ~1963 but preferably earlier and in a 14900/14902 case.

Better to look for a dogleg pie-pan (along with an awful lot of other folks) and post here if you find something you like.
 
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The alarm bells went off when I realised that the hands of Teddys Constellation didn't match (
) . Little did I know that the dog legs with arrowhead-dial did'nt even occur after 1963. You saved me a lot of money! The search continues, for what exactly I'm not sure. But a Pie Pan down the line is for sure a must. I guess with the username I created limits myself to a 1966 one...At least that narrows the search. 😜 Again thanks, now I'm even more eagered to learn more about the fantastic world of Omega watches. Have a nice day!
 
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The alarm bells went off when I realised that the hands of Teddys Constellation didn't match
now I'm even more eagered to learn more about the fantastic world of Omega watches. Have a nice day!

Firstly, 'Teddy's' 14393 has an incorrect replacement seconds hand - it should be flat not rounded in cross-section
(and his date-magnifier crystal is an aberration on a Constellation....)

Secondly, if you want to really get into Constellations rather watching vids on Youtube (which can be interesting but often have misleading snippets of info) immerse yourself in Desmond's superb Constellation collector's blog
http://omega-constellation-collectors.blogspot.com/

and off course stick around here and read some threads on Constellations
https://omegaforums.net/threads/ppp-pie-pan-porn.48012/
https://omegaforums.net/threads/vintage-constellations-show-and-tell.19186/
https://omegaforums.net/threads/show-me-your-167-005-or-168-005-connie.124329/

if you really do want to stick to 1966, you have a few case references to look at:
Doglegs - 167.005/168.005
Hidden crown - 168.004 & 168.010
C-cases - 168.009/17
All except c-cases come with pie pan or dome dial dials
Only the 167.005 is no date

best of luck in your hunt
 
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Firstly, 'Teddy's' 14393 has an incorrect replacement seconds hand - it should be flat not rounded in cross-section
(and his date-magnifier crystal is an aberration on a Constellation....)

Secondly, if you want to really get into Constellations rather watching vids on Youtube (which can be interesting but often have misleading snippets of info) immerse yourself in Desmond's superb Constellation collector's blog
http://omega-constellation-collectors.blogspot.com/

and off course stick around here and read some threads on Constellations
https://omegaforums.net/threads/ppp-pie-pan-porn.48012/
https://omegaforums.net/threads/vintage-constellations-show-and-tell.19186/
https://omegaforums.net/threads/show-me-your-167-005-or-168-005-connie.124329/

if you really do want to stick to 1966, you have a few case references to look at:
Doglegs - 167.005/168.005
Hidden crown - 168.004 & 168.010
C-cases - 168.009/17
All except c-cases come with pie pan or dome dial dials
Only the 167.005 is no date

best of luck in your hunt




Not only an aberration but an abomination, too.

Stay off youTube till you can tell at a glance what an original Constellation in your preferred reference looked like when it left the factory.
 
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Yeah I agree about the date-magnifier on Teddys watch, it looks terrible. But I have to admit I really like the doglegs conbined with arrowhead dial. But I wan't it to be mostly original. The seller seems clueless (like me) so what if it actually was from 63 and not 66? How would one go about to control it? Serial number on the movement? I guess I could live then with hands not being 100% correct and maybe try to convince myself that it was a rare special order.

https://omegaforums.net/threads/ome...-markers-my-new-incoming-and-research.163638/

Wow...
https://omegaforums.net/threads/dog-leg-stepped-dial-with-arrowhead-markers.123424/

Too expensive :/
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/23510190...4a_AO-q1kDn5gg42DfHpPEnX425FrbbRoC1_8QAvD_BwE
 
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Yeah I agree about the date-magnifier on Teddys watch, it looks terrible. But I have to admit I really like the doglegs conbined with arrowhead dial. But I wan't it to be mostly original. The seller seems clueless (like me) so what if it actually was from 63 and not 66? How would one go about to control it? Serial number on the movement? I guess I could live then with hands not being 100% correct and maybe try to convince myself that it was a rare special order.

The only way to approximate the year is to see the serial number.

Teerapat's watch (in your link) is an outlier and sourced in the Far East - where rules about Omegas get very sketchy due to specials Omega produced for the eastern market.

Stepped dials are a whole new ball game.

Arrowhead dials in a 14900 or 14902 are uncommon.
Arrowhead dials in a 167.005 or 168.005 are very uncommon.

The hands wouldn't bother me if the ref / movt was in the right timescale.

Do you have any other info from the seller you can share?
 
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No unfortunately the seller was not willing to open up and show the movement (might be a red flag but not sure) so I cancelled our appointment. There is not even a pic of the movement to show. But if I get the right tool he might let me try since he doesn't have any other buyers (that I know of). Of course I'm also scared to damage the back of a watch I don't even own...But in the unlikely case that it actually is an early serial number that could have been produced in 1963 I guess it might be a good buy. Maybe worth a try!

And thanks for all the links to information about Constellations! I have read some of them so far.
 
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I wouldn’t risk opening someone else’s watch with an opening tool.
Consider using a rubber ball instead.
However, as a gold capped watch you would need to be careful not to accidentally remove the gold medallion.
Best advice would be to find a friendly watchmaker to open it.
 
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I would pump the brakes, spend some time learning about whatever Watch reference you like, and only then consider buying.
Read Desmond’s blog for Omega Constellation collectors for starters.
If you buy now with limited to no knowledge you are prey and likely to regret the purchase.