OMEGA Apollo-Soyuz: The hidden truths

doctor steel · Dec 22, 2017

If it were as you say, all the correct Apollo Soyuz with a caseback previous to 461 should have a serial previous to the official ones and close to that of the opener ...... right, I got it right?

It is not so... the true range of Apollo Soyuz recognized by Omega is 39180xxx / 39181xxx

Sorry if I didn't understand correctly

MaiLollo · Dec 22, 2017

doctor steel
If it were as you say, all the correct Apollo Soyuz with a caseback previous to 461 should have a serial previous to the official ones and close to that of the opener ...... right, I got it right?

It is not so... the true range of Apollo Soyuz recognized by Omega is 39180xxx / 39181xxx

Sorry if I didn't understand correctly

Sono d'accordo con te. Dicevo che è strano che un "A/S" con serial 32,2m abbia un numero fondello 461 mentre un A/S corretto (il tuo) con un numero movimento molto posteriore (39m) all'altro abbia un numero fondello anteriore.
Mi sa che non sono molto chiaro, ma in pratica mi sembra molto poco probabile che il 461 sia stato fatto da Omega.
😀

PS: complimenti per la collezione, è veramente piena di pepite

doctor steel · Dec 22, 2017

Attenzione: non è che i ( circa ) 400 A / S ufficiali abbiano dei movimenti successivi, ma quelli out of range li hanno precedenti !!!
Il range è 39180xxx / 39181xxx ...... ovviamente non sono stati montati cronologicamente, ma sicuramente li prendevano a caso in quel range
Grazie per le gentili parole

Attention: it is not that the (about) 400 A / S officers have later movements, but those out of range have them previous !!!
The range is 39180xxx / 39181xxx ...... obviously they have not been assembled chronologically, but surely they took them at random in that range
Thanks for the kind words

amphib44 · Dec 22, 2017

Are you saying that you find it strange that a lower movement serial number has a higher A/S case back number, and visa versa?

doctor steel · Dec 22, 2017

Sorry, are you asking me or MaiLollo ?

amphib44 · Dec 22, 2017

I'm sorry. I was asking you, Dr.

doctor steel · Dec 22, 2017

Well ...
No, I don't find this strange if within the official known range ......
I wrote before: they took them at random in that range
P.S. Them = movements

Apollo-Soyuz · Dec 22, 2017

Fost
so not the same box... first point..

Perfect, then the first point has been clarified; the Pre-Apollo-Soyuz are identical to the official A-S, the only differences are the boxes and the movements.
Do you mean this...?

I believe instead that the point is another. I'm sure some dishonest people have taken advantage of this but this fabulous watchmaker may have built 2 or at most 3 Apollo Soyuz. Everything is possible in this world, however, why create a clone of a watch that did not please customers?

we continue to express the same concept without trying to go further and above all no one has yet realized that today:

it is easier to find a movement between 39.180.000 and 39.181.000 than to be able to find all the spare parts of an Apollo-Soyuz.

What I want to say is that the dishonest have always existed but the miracles are rarer to find ... it's easier to turn a Pre-A-S into an Officer A-S than a Speedmaster into a Pre-A-S.

Apollo-Soyuz · Dec 22, 2017

I would like to ask a couple of questions to @doctor steel:

do you really think that all the "out of range" have been produced in a dishonest manner by the Maison Demarchi?

Why the irregularities of the incisions in the caseback, besides seeing them in the A-S, we find them also in the "out of range"?

Thanks

Fost · Dec 22, 2017

Apollo-Soyuz
Perfect, then the first point has been clarified; the Pre-Apollo-Soyuz are identical to the official A-S, the only differences are the boxes and the movements.
Do you mean this...?

I believe instead that the point is another. I'm sure some dishonest people have taken advantage of this but this fabulous watchmaker may have built 2 or at most 3 Apollo Soyuz. Everything is possible in this world, however, why create a clone of a watch that did not please customers?

we continue to express the same concept without trying to go further and above all no one has yet realized that today:

it is easier to find a movement between 39.180.000 and 39.181.000 than to be able to find all the spare parts of an Apollo-Soyuz.

What I want to say is that the dishonest have always existed but the miracles are rarer to find ... it's easier to turn a Pre-A-S into an Officer A-S than a Speedmaster into a Pre-A-S.

Lol you have the capacity to turn everything on your side... That is crazy...

Just said the box is not the same... Nothing else

speedy4ever · Dec 22, 2017

You forgot this picture.
Produced 23 June 1975, most probably as a standard ST 145.0022, then rebuilt as an A-S afterwards (hence the high number 461) which explains why only sold in May 1981

lowen · Dec 22, 2017

Wowwww what a nice Pre Apollo Soyuz ...

😁😁😁

Apollo-Soyuz · Dec 22, 2017

speedy4ever
You forgot this picture.
Produced 23 June 1975, most probably as a standard ST 145.0022, then rebuilt as an A-S afterwards (hence the high number 461) which explains why only sold in May 1981

I published the extract of the archive and immediately after @doctor steel confirmed the date of purchase. you say that it was probably changed with A-S spare parts, for you it is impossible to establish it, as for me to prove the opposite, but why with a movement of 1975?

I never asked the owner of No. 461 what words he used the Omega dealer to convince the customer to buy a watch in 1981 commemorating a mission that took place 6 years earlier ...

bnabod · Dec 22, 2017

This thread has turned into a pissing match which is rather sad. I think the AS dial looks cool and I would take any of them but if I were to shell out high dollars I would get one that is “officially” confirmed even though there is apparently precedent for discrepancies. Continue the battle I mean discussion...carry on

doctor steel · Dec 23, 2017

Apollo-Soyuz
I would like to ask a couple of questions to @doctor steel:

do you really think that all the "out of range" have been produced in a dishonest manner by the Maison Demarchi?

Why the irregularities of the incisions in the caseback, besides seeing them in the A-S, we find them also in the "out of range"?

Thanks

I can not answer with certainty and can not afford to say that the De Marchi were dishonest ...
Did you see? I guessed the date of sale 😁

Apollo-Soyuz · Dec 23, 2017

lowen
Wowwww what a nice Pre Apollo Soyuz ...

😁😁😁

To understand if an A-S "out of range" is a Pre-A-S it is necessary to check if the watch has the correct bracelet, dial and caseback and especially if the movement belongs to that lot of Omega movements of 1975 identified by me.

In this case it is the Extract d'Archive that confirms that this movement coincides with the date of the space mission.

The written date indicated on the guarantee shows the exit from the shop and not the year of production. A fairly common practice, which many watch dealers have, is to keep for themselves a pair of watches, especially those which, if sold at a later date, could give the retailer a greater profit.

This still happens, there is nothing strange.

Do you remember the Apollo-Soyuz with meterorite stone dial?

1975 pcs, watch presented in Basel in 2010 on the occasion of the 35th anniversary of A-S

Today, 7 years after the birth of this beautiful watch, you can find it and buy it NEW in stores and by law the retailer will write on the receipt today's date and not that of 2010.

Here are some examples
On sale today:
https://www.chrono24.it/omega/profe...mited-edition---watch-on-stock--id7291872.htm

Recently sold:
https://www.chrono24.it/omega/speedmaster-apollo-soyuz-35th-anniversary--id1985759.htm

hanky6 · Dec 23, 2017

This is what dreams are made of, and what makes me want to travel into space.

I love this thread.

bags1971 · Dec 25, 2017

not so sure about this posted on facebook for sale

TsoloT · Dec 26, 2017

On Facebook ?
Where

bags1971 · Dec 26, 2017

TsoloT
On Facebook ?
Where

https://www.facebook.com/groups/498...62719790498702/?sale_post_id=1362719790498702

OMEGA Apollo-Soyuz: The hidden truths

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